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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 756618)

Arch Traveler ran a 7 point new career worst - and went backwards 14 points off of his last race in victory?

Even Gourmet Dinner went backwards! Everything in the only two route races today all went backwards!

I agree the figs are too low, but not to the extent you have them. I think the allowance was hindered by a dawdling pace which kept the winner in the low 80s. I have Soldat in the low 100s.

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 756696)

i think you're basing too much on one race, especially when the goal is a race in may. should he have run better? maybe, will he end up running poorly again? that's to be seen. but plenty of horses over the years have run up the track and then gone on to bigger and better things. birdstone, thunder gulch, charismatic who ran for a tag and won 2/3's of the triple crown. the list truly is endless.
of course, there's also a list of horses a mile long who showed promise only to fade away; he could just as easily be one of those. my only point is that it's too soon to write him off. these horses are obviously still learning and developing.

i will offer one suggestion to you tho-don't get hopeful mainly due to a horses pedigree. it's all well and good to be a fan of a horse line, but don't think bloodlines alone will be enough. plenty of good horseflesh that doesn't pan out. base your picks and hopes on ability; take any biases out of the equation. horses don't run faster because you have high hopes for them.

I remember Thunder Gulch as I was a huge fan, so I suppose that should be a lesson to me.

I liked THAS from the beginning due to his pedigree, but I didn't base whether I thought he was good on that. He ran a very good race in his debut and after that I thought he was very talented; I felt right after the race that Astrology would never beat him again (I love Indy, but IMO that horse is not that good). Perhaps I overrated him based on his maiden win, but then he ran very well in the Nashua. Admittedly, I wasn't all that impressed with his Remsen, but I also didn't think it was a bad race. My favorite horses are those with pedigrees I favor, but whether or not some people think so, I don't necessarily think they are good afterwards just based on their pedigrees. Believe me, there are horses out there who I would love to think are good.......but they aren't..

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 756709)

There are some good words in here, Steve.

If Byk came to Tenn, and started talking like that, folks would look at him like he had three heads.:D

I hear Bruce Pearl throws a mean barbecue.

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 756690)

Too bad I never questioned the connections of THAS........and Crossbow is not on the road to the Derby, lol. You would know from insufferable.......as well as being gutless. If you're referring to Crossbow, I wasn't the first one to criticize his connections, but still you aim your arrows at me. Pathetic.

Stop deflecting. For better than two years you have been coming on here after every Mineshaft, Bernardini, or AP Indy wins and looks impressive, specifically during the spring and crafted campaigns for them. Then, when someone offers a differing opinion you get really defensive. Read back through this whole thread.

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 756677)

It's actually, If you don't like America...change it!

You know what's weird?

You have been a member for 3.5 years with over 1600 posts, and I cannot recall ever seeing a post by you!

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...-florida-derby

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McLaughlin says there are no definitive plans for Darley Stable’s 3-year-old Crossbow, who was scratched after drawing the rail in the Hutcheson Stakes (gr. II), the race that preceded the Fountain of Youth.

“We were originally thinking of running him (March 5) in the Gotham (Ggr. III) at Aqueduct,” McLaughlin said. “But now it looks like we’ll look at all options.”

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 756725)

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...-florida-derby

You post an awful lot about a horse that you don't 'support' on the trail.

Give it up already! I'm starting to think that you sleep with a crossbow next to your bed or something.

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 756727)

You post an awful lot about a horse that you don't 'support' on the trail.

Give it up already! I'm starting to think that you sleep with a crossbow next to your bed or something.

Considering how many thought McLaughlin was making the right decision by aiming the horse for the Gotham, I thought they might be interested that he has changed his mind. If you have a problem with that, too bad - put me on ignore.

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 756730)

People thought scratching out of the Hutcheson was the right move. He said he was pointing to the Gotham, so it was suggested that race was a better alternative, but it was scratching out of a race he had zero chance in that was applauded.

Considering you have a life sized mold of Bernardini's cock under your bed, I'll take it for what it is.

I think people were agreeing more with the plethora of reasons to scratch the horse rather than siding with the decision to send him definitively to the Gotham.

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 756720)

You know what's weird?

You have been a member for 3.5 years with over 1600 posts, and I cannot recall ever seeing a post by you!

I recently changed my avatar, Indian Charlie. I used to have a picture of an ogre type creature.

I often unashamedly post my longshot pics, several times per week, if not much more

The problem now is you may start to notice my posts, and be influenced by my errant handicapping

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 756755)

I'm more apt to call you a ******, now that I've noticed your post(s).

J/K.

Sorta.

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“We were originally thinking of running him (March 5) in the Gotham (Ggr. III) at Aqueduct,” McLaughlin said. “But now it looks like we’ll look at all options.”

sounds like he's waiting to hear from Betsy.

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 756710)

If Byk came to Tenn, and started talking like that, folks would look at him like he had three heads.:D

Jews dont go to Tenn.

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 756794)

Jews dont go to Tenn.

Ernie Grunfeld did.

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 756794)

Jews dont go to Tenn.

Where's the Like button!

I went to Blaine,Tenn. about 13 years ago; was arrested within an hour and spent two days in jail. Returned a decade later and was followed for about half an hour on a mountainous backroad by the cops (my Vermont license plate probaly didn't help my cause)

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 756834)

trouble maker

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 756833)

Ernie Grunfeld did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCXh0o5UQWE