His numbers are more like Orton while he played here.

Funny :)

^^ LOL

No, I implied you were stupid for entering into a conversation and arguing about something you knew little about. That much was proven true the other day.

As for your prediction. No sh.it any team in the NFL can win any game. Am I supposed to be blown away by stating the obvious? They aren't a good team. And beating the Packers didn't make them a good team, especially coming off a 27 point loss to the Jets. That's the NFL. Anybody can beat anybody.

That's been the whole point. It's foolish to just look at one thing, which is what you are doing. Obviously the Chiefs aren't as good as the Packers. But for one day they were. It's fine to look at the fact that the Broncos were winning. But it was (and still is) shortsighted to not acknowledge one of the reasons they looked good and were winning was because of their competition. Those things like important players not playing was not the sole reason. But it was part of it.

I just figured these things would be obvious. Especially to someone who follows the NFL so closely.

what was proven true? that I don't follow the Texans? solid proof, buddy.


I just find it terrifically awesome that the one thing you cherry picked from my arguement... the Chiefs.. came out and beat the Packers.

Maybe karma took a flight from denver to Kansas City.

I'll make a reversal and agree with you that the Jets suck though. Who does Holmes think he is mocking the opposing team that is downright beating your as.s?

I just really really really really need them to beat the Giants next weekend. Go Rex!

The fact that this is what you took out of the entire back and forth is pretty funny.

I guess ignorance really is bliss.

nope... this is bliss!

It's pretty rich for a fan of the Eagles to complain about an opposing player being unsportsmanlike.

hilarious!

it makes a player look like a loser to mock a team when they are getting walloped by the opposing team. It even worse to mock a team who is crushing you when the mocker/player already had made two plays that resulted in turnovers.

Desean Jackson did it earlier in the season.. and it made him look like a loser. Philly still hasnt let up on him. Yesterday was Santonio's turn.

You still mad that Shonn Greene can't do what Shady can do? ;)

You're comparing a Super Bowl MVP to the most overrated player in the league. Santonio's a moron, but at least he's accomplished meaningful things in the league. Unlike DeSean, who's just a clown.

no arguement here.

I wonder how much money Desean has cost himself by being a prissy bitch who won't go over the middle. Had he acted like a man and played like he has the first few years, he'd be getting 10 mil per year like Holmes.

I still hope we retain him though. Our offense looked horrible the one game he was out. at least he opens up things for other players.

To me, it's a tough call whether the Eagles keep Desean. He remains a talent but his "me" attitude is a cancer. For a team who went through putting up with TO, it's a hard pill to swallow. Not to mention that at least TO produced....

Dude Desean is a baller. Maybe you dont like his BS and his attitude, I dont either. His game when he brings it is legit. Hes about to get big $ from someone.

Please. The dude has never caught more than 62 passes in a pass-heavy offense. He's a complementary receiver.

there arent a lot of teams that want to pay someone big money for BS, attitude and bringing it when he wants to bring it.

He'll still make money, but most likely not as much as he would have had he been a productive player and teammate this year.

He hasnt been the same since he was crushed by the falcons corner last year. you can see the fear in D-Jax eyes when he has to go over the middle.

I love the little man and his speed... but it is what it is. Maclin is a better overall receiver.

Unless the fix is in to get Luck, I think the Colts will upset the Texans this weekend. At least cover the number.

Power out in San Fran. Its dark man, dark.

So was this...

Followed by...

FYI....Peyton Manning is out also.

Its not dark anymore.

oh golly! thanks for that info!!

I said hes legit. I never said hes a superstar, even though I think he has the potential to be. Hes only 25. He was only a problem this year after everyone else got paid but him. I dont agree with his act, but it is what it is. Hes far from the most overrated player in the NFL. We both know you dont even believe that. Hes fast and when healthy he helps his team in other ways.....
The NFL is full of fast athletic types and he fits that mold. Hes a deep threat, he can stretch the field. He would make my Pats an instant favorite for the Super Bowl. Even with the D being what it is.

Its dark again.

I don't want PG1985 to be the only one blowing his own horn in this room.

Early Christmas present?

Looks like karma took another week off. Or the Broncos weren't as good as their record indicated based on circumstances within each game. Score one for the haters.

Jesus just taking a long weekend on his birthday.;)

two pick sixes 18 seconds apart has to be some kind of record. broncs have to win next week vs kc, and orton, to get to the playoffs.

He just continues to do things that nobody has ever seen before...

2011 denver offense (orton): 19.8 ppg
2011 denver offense (tebow) 18.9 ppg

tebow's "intangibles" had more to do with playing a series of teams with offensive issues. denver didn't score well with orton and are even worse with tebow.

the fundamental flaw with his throwing motion remains. he winds up to throw and nfl defenses are too quick for him to get away with it too often. any game where he has to throw, denver's in trouble.

I hope they win, make the playoffs, win the super bowl, and Tebow comes over to hi_i'm_chris_mortensen's house and f.ucks him in the mouth.

hater.

at least im not alone in my dislike and disdain of espn and its commentators. tony had the tv tuned to them while we packed to leave...gottlieb was trying to start **** about brees passing to break the record,whining that the saints had the game won and should have just run. the other guy on with him said atl should have stopped them. changed the channel...

Not necessarily ANY game...
In the fourth quarter and overtime against the Bears (who's defense sucks we know...), Tebow completed 18-of-24 passes for 191 yards and a touchdown.
Brady threw four picks against Buffalo too.

Since I assume you watched the game, I assume you also saw that the Bears changed the defense they had been using (effectively all game to that point) for some reason in the 4th.

Credit to Tebow for taking advantage of it, but that was bonehead coaching at it's best. Not to mention it goes back to Hi I'm God's point that Tebow's intangibles had more to do with playing offensively challenged teams. The Bears without Cutler and Forte fit that profile.

Brady threw 4 picks against the Bills when the Bills were playing their best football. Not when they had essentially thrown in the towel on the season losing their prior 7 games.

Ravens 14 Chargers 34

Offensively challenged teams like the Chargers?
Look, I get what you are saying, all of you, but the kid deserves some credit and a bit of a break, he is still a rookie based on games played and the fact that there was no preseason work.
Are there question marks, sure, huge ones. Just like every other rookie QB for the past 4 years or so, except maybe Dalton, he is going to be very good I think.
As far as the Bills go, Fitzpatrick and the offense fell apart there D is still pretty good and very opportunistic.

When the Tebow's beat the Chargers they were in the midst of a 6 game losing streak. You have to look at stuff like that because I think it tells the story a lot better than just looking blindly at wins or losses.

How'd the Chargers do this past week? They are a jekyll and hyde team if I have ever seen one. They beat the Ravens one week and then get beat 38-10 the following by the Lions.

Sure, Tebow deserves a little bit of credit. About a 1/100th of the credit he has already gotten. But when all is said and done, when you look at their run this year, a lot of things fell into place which had as much, if not more to do with them winning than Tebow. That wasn't his fault of course and I realize he doesn't control the media.

I agree there was a perfect storm of events and a lot of stuff that does not normally happen did in fact happen. A lot of teams this season have had the Jekyll and Hyde scenarios unfold, (Lions worst of all I think).
I do not think that they are able to come away with many of those wins with Orton, maybe one or two but nobody on either side of the ball was responding to him as the leader.
1% is sadly about right on the credit due vs. the credit heaped (which was probably about 10x higher than it needed to be).
Looking forward to this weekend and the Steelers game in two weeks.

Are you kidding me??? Your credability just hit the shitter. The Bills have one of the worst defenses in the league bar none. They are 24th in Yds allowed, 28th against the rush and 27th in Points.

[quote=jms62;827690]Their passing defense is reasonable and the do take the ball away quite a bit, without Fitz throwing all those picks on the downfall they would be considered extremely opportunistic.
You are a fan so your opinion is skewed.