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10 pnt move up 08-08-2010 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 680164)

And you want to know why people arent flocking to see RA and Z? Because most everyone outside of 7 year old girls and retards are tired of watching glorified exibition races.

They had 35 thousand yesterday?

Its a great sport we have though.

Rileyoriley 08-08-2010 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 680197)
Casual fans who do not have much knowledge of the game, they do not care about Blame.

Rachel on the other hand draws the attention of thousands of younger fans...even if they aren't on the track, I believe they are following her, much more than Blame at least.

I disagree. My friend was up for the weekend. She follows Trotters more than TBs but she does watch the TC races and the Breeders Cup. She knew who Zenyatta was and she did ask "whatever happened to that filly that won the Preakness last year?". Casual fans don't have TVG or HRTV. They don't have to know Blame's name. The girl v. boy angle would attract more attention I believe.

tiggerv 08-08-2010 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 680179)
If you follow me, and you do, you know I've never been on the QR bandwagon. His 121 Beyer was a total fraud.

Did you create a figure for yesterday's race yet? Early word was a 111 Beyer for Blame which seems way too high to me.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-08-2010 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley (Post 680188)
RA hasn't shown she's the same horse as last year. Blame is the top male in his handicap division at this time. I would be more excited to see a match up in the classic between Zenyatta and Blame than I would be to see Zenyatta and RA in the Distaff. I also think it would be better for the sport and get more publicity if it was the former. Again, it's just my personal opinion.

RA and Blame ran on the same day and distance on Foster day.

Anyone who thinks Blame would toy with her is fooling themselves.

Rileyoriley 08-08-2010 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 680213)
RA and Blame ran on the same day and distance on Foster day.

Anyone who thinks Blame would toy with her is fooling themselves.

But the classic is 1 1/4 and I will let all of them settle it on the track instead of trying to guess who will win.:)

RockHardTen1985 08-08-2010 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley (Post 680216)
But the classic is 1 1/4 and I will let all of them settle it on the track instead of trying to guess who will win.:)


I think its pretty clear who is going to win the Classic now......

The Indomitable DrugS 08-08-2010 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley (Post 680199)
You don't think more casual fans and even non-racing folks would tune in to watch an undefeated female against an undefeated male if the race was promoted well beforehand? Sure RA v. Zenyatta would draw racing fans but I thought the sport wanted to draw new fans.

A lot of these supposed new fans won't be impressed when a Volponi type horse jumps up and easily beats both of these overrated horses.

Something as simple as Ramon Dominguez's riding tactics on Haynesfield is all that prevented Musket Man from winning the Whitney yesterday. Which he certainly would have if Haynesfield did all the doggy work - instead of him being forced to come outside of Haynesfield and try to do it.

Rileyoriley 08-08-2010 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 680220)
A lot of these supposed new fans won't be impressed when a Volponi type horse jumps up and easily beats both of these overrated horses.

Something as simple as Ramon Dominguez's riding tactics on Haynesfield is all that prevented Musket Man from winning the Whitney yesterday. Which he certainly would have if Haynesfield did all the doggy work - instead of him being forced to come outside of Haynesfield and try to do it.

The classic hasn't been run yet and Blame won the Whitney. Can't change what happened nor predict what will. I won't try.

Rileyoriley 08-08-2010 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 680219)
I think its pretty clear who is going to win the Classic now......

I think I'll wait and see who enters first.:)

cmorioles 08-08-2010 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv (Post 680212)
Did you create a figure for yesterday's race yet? Early word was a 111 Beyer for Blame which seems way too high to me.

I do Saturday races on Monday, but it seems a little high to me. In any case, it will be a projection by any figure maker as the only route...thanks NYRA.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-08-2010 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley (Post 680221)
The classic hasn't been run yet and Blame won the Whitney. Can't change what happened nor predict what will. I won't try.

Who cares who "won" the race?

That only matters if you own the horse, train the horse, rode the horse, or in that instance bet the horse.

If you attract new people to racing who "won't try" to predict what will happen ... what good would this possibly do? Other than create more people who think Pepper's Pride would beat Sharp Cat.

RockHardTen1985 08-08-2010 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley (Post 680222)
I think I'll wait and see who enters first.:)


Its ok, Im keeping it to myself this time.

Rileyoriley 08-08-2010 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 680228)
Who cares who "won" the race?

That only matters if you own the horse, train the horse, rode the horse, or in that instance bet the horse.

If you attract new people to racing who "won't try" to predict what will happen ... what good would this possibly do? Other than create more people who think Pepper's Pride would beat Sharp Cat.

I did bet the horse so I guess it matters to me. Does that mean I'll bet him in the BC? As I said in an above post, I'll wait and see who enters first.
You look at a race and form your opinion and that's fine. I may look at it and form a different opinion. Betting is all about opinions.

(Isn't Sharp Cat deceased in which case I'll pick Pepper's Pride to win.)

Rileyoriley 08-08-2010 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 680231)
Its ok, Im keeping it to myself this time.

:D

Smooth Operator 08-08-2010 07:07 PM

First female to win BCC + First 6yo to win BCC + First horse to win BCC on two different surfaces + 3 overall BC wins + Perfect 20-0 record = Horse Racing Immortality


Simple as that



Completing the equation won't be easy … odds are very much against her … but if she can pull it off … her critics will be just pissing into the wind…

The Indomitable DrugS 08-08-2010 07:19 PM

Zenyatta is a vastly overrated fraud who will be lucky to run 6th beaten 12 lengths in the BC Classic.

If she came to Saratoga - Rachel Alexandra would piss all over her - and beat her by a city block.

Sorry you had to find out this way.

RockHardTen1985 08-08-2010 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 680261)
Zenyatta is a vastly overrated fraud who will be lucky to run 6th beaten 12 lengths in the BC Classic.

If she came to Saratoga - Rachel Alexandra would piss all over her - and beat her by a city block.

Sorry you had to find out this way.


Your wrong Doug, but keep dreaming **** face.

Danzig 08-08-2010 07:22 PM

well, new york is out of the question...so we'll just have to speculate on all that.

the_fat_man 08-08-2010 07:24 PM

No speculation as to which horse was a NO SHOW for their previous 'engagement'. :rolleyes:


The rest is rhetoric.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-08-2010 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 680264)
Your wrong Doug, but keep dreaming **** face.

You might have a point chubby ... the older males and 3yo divisions both look very soft.

Let me revise that and say she will run 6th beaten 10.5 lengths.


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