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The Indomitable DrugS 08-09-2010 01:45 AM
A guy I befriended in Vegas last year who thought I was a genius because he asked me for "just one horse" for Friday and Sat and I told him Life is Sweet for Friday and Vale of York for Saturday ... the day after he starts talking about Zenyatta and said she won the BC Classic.

I'm like, No.. she didn't win the Breeders Cup Classic. The BC Classic hasn't been run since 2007. She won the Breeders Cup Brown Turf over Gio Ponti. Conduit won the Green Turf and she won the Brown Turf. The guy looked at me like I was nuts.

How's anyone supposed to take the last 3 Pacific Classic winners seriously? They haven't run the Pacific Classic in years as far as I'm concerned.

Rupert Pupkin 08-09-2010 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane (Post 680492)
My memory was incorrect. They obviously made the official announcement much later than I remember.

Port Conway Lane 08-09-2010 01:59 AM
In the article it said they will see how she does in her next workout. From what I recall it was very close to the 11th hour, maybe Wednesday before the race but I'm not positive.

cmorioles 08-09-2010 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane (Post 680497)
In the article it said they will see how she does in her next workout. From what I recall it was very close to the 11th hour, maybe Wednesday before the race but I'm not positive.
It kind of happened right after it was announced Sea the Stars wasn't coming.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-09-2010 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 680498)
It kind of happened right after it was announced Sea the Stars wasn't coming.
That absurd Euro that Team Valor owned winning the Goodwood and making a mockery of the older males out there - and than passing on the BC Classic - along with Gio Ponti going down to Interpartation made it an easier decision.

Rupert Pupkin 08-09-2010 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 679933)
they say they are going to the bc. but they also said they were going to travel with her this year, let her fans see her, and try new things. if they haven't done any of that, how can you be sure they will really point to the bc? you can't. they talk a big talk, but what has she done differently this year? then you see the comments from them about cali, about not shipping, about the win streak. i don't think i'm going out on a limb by suggesting they really don't intend to go to the bc. i think they want peppers prides record, and the money won record. i think the bc is further down on the list, especially with her having won one.
it remains to be seen; i hope she goes, don't get me wrong. but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if she doesn't go.
They were planning on travelling this year but the trip to Oaklawn knocked her out a little bit. They know they're going to ship again for the BC and possibly once right before it. That is why they have not shipped her since the Oaklawn race. They felt that would simply be too many trips for the horse.

Anyway, they were very disappointed that they didn't win HOY last year. That is one of the main reasons they brought her back this year, to win HOY. They know they have to win the BC Classic to win HOY. Therefore, there is no doubt that they will run there assuming nothing goes wrong between now and then.

Danzig 08-09-2010 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 680510)
They were planning on travelling this year but the trip to Oaklawn knocked her out a little bit. They know they're going to ship again for the BC and possibly once right before it. That is why they have not shipped her since the Oaklawn race. They felt that would simply be too many trips for the horse.

Anyway, they were very disappointed that they didn't win HOY last year. That is one of the main reasons they brought her back this year, to win HOY. They know they have to win the BC Classic to win HOY. Therefore, there is no doubt that they will run there assuming nothing goes wrong between now and then.

after reading shirreffs comments about shipping to ny, and not wanting to leave his string behind, i find their talk of wanting to travel with her just that-talk. they spoke the other day of wanting to support cali racing, and they're doing just that. fine with me. cali needs all the support it can get. we'll see about the bc when it happens. i hope she shows, but i won't be surprised if she doesn't. because right now, all they're doing about that is talking, just like the rest of it.

and be careful about saying 'there's no doubt in my mind'. i used that phrase and got clobbered for it by someone who took umbrage. hey, i hope you're right rupert. i hope she shows. but i'll believe it only when i see it. that's no slur on you at all.

Revidere 08-09-2010 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 680500)
That absurd Euro that Team Valor owned winning the Goodwood and making a mockery of the older males out there - and than passing on the BC Classic - along with Gio Ponti going down to Interpartation made it an easier decision.
Thye were also hoping Quality Road would scratch earlier. They were really taking a chance there.

rlesquib 08-09-2010 01:44 PM
Cakes 44
 
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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 678184)
2 career stakes wins for the entire field other than Zenyatta? Did I count that right? No wonder they "adjusted" her training schedule so they could fit this one in.
Do ur homework Cakes. Last time I checked, the races Zenyatta has competed in, they are open for any1. Says alot when no Graded Stakes winners or place horses are 2 scared to show.

MaTH716 08-09-2010 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rlesquib (Post 680727)
Do ur homework Cakes. Last time I checked, the races Zenyatta has competed in, they are open for any1. Says alot when no Graded Stakes winners or place horses are 2 scared to show.
Really??????????????? You mean colts and older horses were eligible too? Or are they ducking her as well.

Danzig 08-09-2010 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 680728)
Really??????????????? u mean colts and older horses were eligible 2? Or are they ducking her 2.

ftfy

rlesquib 08-09-2010 02:02 PM
How Quick we 4get!!!
 
Whats the name of that horse that beat Rachel earlier this year and later smoked by Zenyatta ???

MaTH716 08-09-2010 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by rlesquib (Post 680736)
Whats the name of that horse that beat Rachel earlier this year and later smoked by Zenyatta ???
What's that have to do with your incorrect statement about Zenyatta running in races with no conditions?

Crown@club 08-09-2010 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rlesquib (Post 680736)
Whats the name of that horse that beat Rachel earlier this year and later smoked by Zenyatta ???
Did we forget that the same horse came back to get smoked by Rachel?

slotdirt 08-09-2010 03:58 PM
Find me the horses that Zenyatta beat by 19.25 lengths that have since come back to win GI races on dirt. I can think of at least two from Rachel's Mother Goose last summer.

NTamm1215 08-09-2010 04:00 PM
You know, TVG had a trivia question the other night and the answer was a little surprising to me.

It was, how many different horses has Zenyatta beaten in her 17 wins (this was the night before the Hirsch)?

I didn't have the time nor inclination to sit down and add it up but figuring the Classic was 12 alone the number had to be somewhere around 125 or so.

The answer: 85

NT

Thunder Gulch 08-09-2010 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 680510)
They were planning on travelling this year but the trip to Oaklawn knocked her out a little bit. They know they're going to ship again for the BC and possibly once right before it. That is why they have not shipped her since the Oaklawn race. They felt that would simply be too many trips for the horse.

Anyway, they were very disappointed that they didn't win HOY last year. That is one of the main reasons they brought her back this year, to win HOY. They know they have to win the BC Classic to win HOY. Therefore, there is no doubt that they will run there assuming nothing goes wrong between now and then.
They were disappointed they didn't win HOY, bring her back specifically to win HOY, and take the same route even though the competition is weaker. Here's an idea, you know some horses have won the award based on a year's worth of great racing. Wonder if anyone ever thought of that?

cmorioles 08-09-2010 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 680547)
after reading shirreffs comments about shipping to ny, and not wanting to leave his string behind, i find their talk of wanting to travel with her just that-talk.
What string? He has 59 starts for the entire year.

2Hot4TV 08-09-2010 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 680798)
You know, TVG had a trivia question the other night and the answer was a little surprising to me.

It was, how many different horses has Zenyatta beaten in her 17 wins (this was the night before the Hirsch)?

I didn't have the time nor inclination to sit down and add it up but figuring the Classic was 12 alone the number had to be somewhere around 125 or so.

The answer: 85

NT
According to most she has only beaten one horse,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,SLOW.

2Hot4TV 08-09-2010 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 680510)
They were planning on travelling this year but the trip to Oaklawn knocked her out a little bit. They know they're going to ship again for the BC and possibly once right before it. That is why they have not shipped her since the Oaklawn race. They felt that would simply be too many trips for the horse.

Anyway, they were very disappointed that they didn't win HOY last year. That is one of the main reasons they brought her back this year, to win HOY. They know they have to win the BC Classic to win HOY. Therefore, there is no doubt that they will run there assuming nothing goes wrong between now and then.
I would agree with this from the change in her appearance.

If she manages to win the Classic this year she is HOY


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