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VOL JACK 07-27-2010 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 674519)
Gotta agree there SS will be bet but unless a horse with early speed enters Ice Box is just gonna be forgot about

Still would be nice to get 2 more horses in this field but who knows?

I don't think so.
Everyone know how magical Borel is at CD and, SS stunk up Pimlico.
I wouldn't surprised if the Preakness exacta is repeated here.

RockHardTen1985 07-27-2010 11:15 AM

Im saying right now, Lucky wins this race. Baffert has him ready to roll. He wins this and runs huge in the Travers, September 1st he is the clear cut leader in the 3yr old division. A division that is wide open right now.

randallscott35 07-27-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 674531)
Im saying right now, Lucky wins this race. Baffert has him ready to roll. He wins this and runs huge in the Travers, September 1st he is the clear cut leader in the 3yr old division. A division that is wide open right now.

He'll be the favorite. You aren't saying much

RockHardTen1985 07-27-2010 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 674532)
He'll be the favorite. You aren't saying much

Randy this is not a one race prediction. Its a 3yr old championship prediction, for a class/crop that is WIDE OPEN RIGHT NOW. He might be the favorite, but he might not be. If he is, it will be around 5-2 not odds on or anything like that.

Sightseek 07-27-2010 11:23 AM

You just can't fly a horse over the Rockies that often and expect to win the Haskell.

randallscott35 07-27-2010 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 674539)
Randy this is not a one race prediction. Its a 3yr old championship prediction, for a class/crop that is WIDE OPEN RIGHT NOW. He might be the favorite, but he might not be. If he is, it will be around 5-2 not odds on or anything like that.

Again you aren't saying much of anything here. But be my guest.

hockey2315 07-27-2010 11:32 AM

Trappe Shot won't be favored. Mine That Bird was just favored in the Firecracker. . . enough said.

RockHardTen1985 07-27-2010 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 674543)
Again you aren't saying much of anything here. But be my guest.

Ok Randy. This is as wide open as its ever been. 3 different triple crown winners, none of the major triple crown prep winners are even relevant right now. Sometimes I think your retarded, but then its clear you cant help yourself and do it on purpose.

PS- Do you like my Avatar? I thought out of everyone you would love it the most.

letswastemoney 07-27-2010 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 674547)
Trappe Shot won't be favored. Mine That Bird was just favored in the Firecracker. . . enough said.

I agree, they always make the Derby winner the favorite in his first race after the Triple Crown.

I can't see Super Saver going off higher than 3-1. He will take every casual dollar that's out there from people who look at the program and remember "Hey that horse won the Kentucky Derby so he must be good enough to win this race!"

randallscott35 07-27-2010 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 674551)
I agree, they always make the Derby winner the favorite in his first race after the Triple Crown.

I can't see Super Saver going off higher than 3-1. He will take every casual dollar that's out there from people who look at the program and remember "Hey that horse won the Kentucky Derby so he must be good enough to win this race!"

I can't see a way on earth LAL isn't favored. Think about it. He was the Derby fave. He was the same price as the Derby winner in the Preakness and SS ran horribly. He's a clear 2-1 or less in here at post.

RockHardTen1985 07-27-2010 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 674554)
I can't see a way on earth LAL isn't favored. Think about it. He was the Derby fave. He was the same price as the Derby winner in the Preakness and SS ran horribly. He's a clear 2-1 or less in here at post.

Without getting into the odds on everyone...

Lucky 2-1

Saver 5-2,3-1

Trappe Shot 3-1,7-2

Someone really good is ignored....
Likely Ice Box, who is hopeless anyway.

randallscott35 07-27-2010 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 674555)
Without getting into the odds on everyone...

Lucky 2-1

Saver 5-2,3-1

Trappe Shot 3-1,7-2

Someone really good is ignored....
Likely Ice Box, who is hopeless anyway.

I prefer Our Dark Knight to Ice Box, yes.

RockHardTen1985 07-27-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 674556)
I prefer Our Dark Knight to Ice Box, yes.


LOL we agree on that.

knickslions2 07-27-2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 674531)
Im saying right now, Lucky wins this race. Baffert has him ready to roll. He wins this and runs huge in the Travers, September 1st he is the clear cut leader in the 3yr old division. A division that is wide open right now.

Have to agree with you here. Lucky will beat these horses. I still think Twirling Candy is the best three year old but won't have enough races under his belt.

the_fat_man 07-27-2010 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 674564)
I still think Twirling Candy is the best three year old but won't have enough races under his belt.

Based on what: running down Macias? How about this horse actually beats something, and covers a real distance of ground first? I realize there's really nothing out there but he's not even in the discussion yet.

tjfla 07-27-2010 12:35 PM

Too make it even better it seems Concord Point is possible for the race

RockHardTen1985 07-27-2010 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 674573)
Too make it even better it seems Concord Point is possible for the race


Now he is SERIOUS. If he comes everything changes. I dont see why Bob would not send him to the Jim Dandy.

Sightseek 07-27-2010 12:37 PM

Why does everyone think Ice Box is totally hopeless? I'm unsure whether I would use him on Sunday, especially since the field hasn't even been drawn, but I don't think he is as bad as his Belmont race.

randallscott35 07-27-2010 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 674574)
Now he is SERIOUS. If he comes everything changes. I dont see why Bob would not send him to the Jim Dandy.

As a rabbit for Lucky

tjfla 07-27-2010 12:39 PM

Ya thats where I thought he was headed too but have seen 3 websites mention him as possible for the Haskell and nothing about him to the Jim Dandy


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