It's not even close. Lee's had 3 pretty good years. His career ERA is just under 4. Halladay's resume blows his out of the water and he's finally getting to show what he can do on a contender. Meanwhile, Lee is 5-6 since being traded to Texas.

Im talking right now... Halladays resume is much better, no doubt.

He's better right now too.

CL's performance in the playoffs last year was nothing short of spectacular.

That what RH will be measured against.

Needless to say, he's off to a hell of a start.

Just the second no-hitter in playoff history … WOW

I think CL performance today was HUGE. Against a much better offense then Cinci as well.

He is a great pitcher. But he isnt the best pitcher of your lifetime yet.

Clemens and Maddux had far better careers and higher peaks. Pedro had a 7 year run better than anyone in baseball history has ever had. Randy Johnson won 5 Cy Young awards and finished 2nd 3 times. Tom Glavine won 2 Cy Youngs and finished in the top 3 6 times.

Halladay's last few seasons have been very good. If he pitches as well over the next 3 or 4 years he will join the above group. Being that he is going to get a steady dose of the Nationals, Marlins and Mets in the NL East it looks good for him.

Best pitching performance Ive ever seen is when pedro went into yankee stadium in september of 99 and pitched a one hitter and the only hit was a home run. No walks, 17k's and faced one over the minimum.

You could take all the perfect games and no hitters and nothing was like that night.

Did anyone else see that game?

I do remember that game. Incredible performance.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/bo...99909100.shtml
The Jack Morris game in the WS is one I will never forget.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/bo...99110270.shtml

Okay, baseball calls:

NY over Minnesota
TB over Texas

Atl over Sf
Cin over Philly

Cin over Atl

TB over NY

TB over Cin

I bet Fox is drooling over the prospect of those ratings.:D

At risk of being accused of stalking you, the Rays offense doesn't hold a candle to the Reds offense. The Rays have a team batting average of .247 for the season (only Seattle saved them from being last in the AL). The only way they were able to generate the runs they did this year, is by walking and once they were on base, running at every chance. Beating the Rays is a simple formula, throw strikes and make them hit their way on. Cliff Lee threw strikes and the Rays were helpless.

Last 3 years since Lee has become a top flight starter...

Lee 48-24 2.98
Halladay 58-31 2.67

No comparison, although Lee's postseason record speaks for itself. (granted, Lee playing half of 2009 with Cleveland and half of 2010 with Seattle likely affected his win total but Toronto in 2008 and 2009 wasn't the greatest team on the planet either.)

The rest of the league should be thanking God, that they both still aren't on the Phillies.

My favorite Pedro pitching performance was on April 13, 1994 against Cincinnati. He was pitching a perfect game before he hit Reggie Sanders in the 8th inning. Then Reggie charged the mound, and had the balls to appeal his suspension since Pedro was pitching tight to him the entire game.

Lincecum was arguably better than Halladay yesterday. Giant leap of logic, but 31 swings and misses. The most in the regular season in any game by a pitcher was 26. The postseason pitching has been ridiculous.

My 2 first round picks not looking so good at this point. We'll see. Some major pitching performances this post season. As we get years away from the steroid era it is amazing how much pitching has improved.

I love it. I would much rather watch a well pitched, fast paced, 1-0 game than a 9-8 slugfest with 6 pitching changes dragging it out to nearly 4 hours.

Even with the lengthened commercial time between innings, the Halladay game took 2:34 and the Lincecum game took 2:26.

Im not sure its def the era. These 5-7 really good pitchers, have been really good the past 3-4 years. They just all came together this post seasson.

I prefer it as well.

The steroid era was generally mid 90's into mid 2000's based on the available runs, home runs, pitching stats. Thus in the further we get out of it, the better the pitching should come back. (not to mention humidors for CO as well)

Lee vs. Price part deux, coming up Tuesday night.