Do you mind if I wait till she croses the finish line? :wf

Cheers to all who had the winner. I sure as hell didn't.

Wow! Congrats on your big score! almost 600 on the .50 cent pick 4 payout.

What else did you play?

No. . . $599. (He said $5K before)

Nor did I. :zz:

What the heck happened to Inglorious? She didn't fire at all.

Perhaps she is a synthetic horse. 5 for 5 at Woodbine. 0 for 3 anywhere else.

Since we're redboarding, $13 was absolutely insane for Royal Delta.

You have no idea how much I agree with you.Crazy.

It seems that whenever a big deal is made about a horse getting hot in the post parade on national t.v. the horse goes on and wins or runs incredibly well. :D

How a horse looks prerace will never bother me again after DaTara looked like walking death pre 2008-Belmont, washier than any horse I'd ever seen...

Was in races in Singapore last year where the humidity is ludicrously high and almost every horse out there has a good lather going. I'm beginning to think now that it is just more natural than anything, and only becomes an issue if its quite cool out and horse is still lathered.

One thing I've always liked to believe is that it helps to know the history of the horse in question. What you might see as a question mark, something like being washy or antsy or balking going into the gate, might be quite normal for that horse and no need for concern. To me, it's no different than knowing trainer patterns. A horse working a 58 4/5 for one trainer might cause you to really open your eyes but if you see a Baffert horse do it, it's kinda ho-hum.

then there's when they go on and on about how good a horse looks, and they run up the track.

Agree which is why it boogles my mind that tracks actually pay people to tell you how a horse looks and is behaving. That money could be better used on some track improvements or something worthwhile like TB retirement or helping backstretch workers.

Winter Memories didnt fire today, and couple that with a bad ride.

Plus the tri paid more than the super, that was a bit unusual. But I guess you have to imagine most tickets had Winter on top

What was so bad about it? I don't think the ride made much of a difference. She was kept inside for much of the way by the others riding against her well. She didn't have the punch on the last part of the turn to go outside and have the clear run. She was simply beat and is another victim of the reputation induced phenomenon.

This is extremely harsh. She barely had any room to run and the turf course was a bog. I'd still take her against any turf filly/mare in the country. Watch the race again. Dynamic Holiday completely shut her out and by the time she had space, Hungry Island had the jump on her.

She wasn't winning either way. . . I don't think she liked the turf condition.

I understand she was boxed much of the race but I honestly don't think it would have mattered. I would attribute her loss to a combination of the boggy going, better field (which was not talked about enough) and the trip, which wasn't perfect, but ultimately I don't feel the key variable.

I'm also not saying it was a career breaker. People were handing out the trophy and $2 win tickets when the field was drawn on Thursday. She is certainly capable of bouncing back and doing great things, and I hope she does... the connections are very easy to root for.

Of course it's not a career breaker. She's been brilliant in just about every race she's run and is still the top three-year-old turf filly in the country.

I might be wrong, but yes the horse really never looked comfortable and it seemed like Lezcano was unsure on what to do with her, and it looked like when it came time to ask her to run he panicked and just dropped her down to the inside hoping for something out of her. But all in all, the ride really didnt matter I suppose she just wasnt good today. I just wish we had any kind of turfer that the Euros would be scared of, I thought she would of been it.