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Bigsmc 02-07-2008 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
It should be this (I need to be put in charge)

Rotation between....

Churchill, Belmont, Santa Anita, X

X =

Arlington, Monmouth, Lone Star, Woodbine, Somewhere in Europe (maybe), Dubai (Maybe)...Hialeah (if restored), and I can't think of any others.
I enjoyed the BC at Hollywood, but I guess that place's days are numbered.

miraja2 02-07-2008 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
You are right, it is retarded.

Why is it that this industry can not do anything to MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY and just do things that piss people off, some of the list

1) Same BC Site
2) Past posting/outdated mutual systems
3) Same saddle cloths on day where they are 40 horses in one race
4) ADW fiasco
5) Takeout fiasco
6) Drugs fiasco
7) Not making safe tracks to begin with and then going synethic on a whim

Feel free to add any more to this list
I swear that if people in positions of power in any sport actively attempted to destroy that sport, they could hardly do a better job than the people in this sport have done by accident.

ateamstupid 02-07-2008 07:31 PM
Looks like I'll be passing on the next TWO Cups.

SCUDSBROTHER 02-07-2008 08:36 PM
If they want to have it in these other places(other than SOCAL,)then they should change the date to atleast a month earlier.You should atleast make an attempt to avoid the bad weather.LONE STAR,CHURCHILL,and MONMOUTH all involved weather.

31lengths 02-07-2008 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Looks like I'll be passing on the next TWO Cups.

J -

Love the avatar.

King Glorious 02-07-2008 08:51 PM
I'll bet that everyone that says they won't watch or wager on the BC at Santa Anita........will.

31lengths 02-07-2008 08:58 PM
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Santa Anita to host Breeders' Cup again in 2009

Santa Anita will be the home of the Breeders' Cup World Championships for the next two years, following a decision by Breeders' Cup Ltd. to award the 2009 edition to the Oak Tree Racing Association.

ateamstupid 02-08-2008 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I'll bet that everyone that says they won't watch or wager on the BC at Santa Anita........will.
Nah, I'll watch, but I won't be wagering. I haven't bet on a race at a So. California track since summer '06, and I don't plan to anytime soon.

SCUDSBROTHER 02-08-2008 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Nah, I'll watch, but I won't be wagering. I haven't bet on a race at a So. California track since summer '06, and I don't plan to anytime soon.
Not even on the offspring of SINGLECHERRY?

Pedigree Ann 02-08-2008 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Not even on the offspring of SINGLECHERRY?
Are you knocking my boy? Because Singletary was a fighter who finally got his just reward in the Lone Star BC. Just because he didn't come with a fancy pedigree, some East Coasters had to knock him but he was a heck of a better horse than some of the Storm Cat flashes-in-the-pan out there.

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-08-2008 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Nah, I'll watch, but I won't be wagering. I haven't bet on a race at a So. California track since summer '06, and I don't plan to anytime soon.
it was delmar i believe...:eek:

KY_Sasquash 02-08-2008 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
The BC was held at SA in 1986, 1993, and 2003.

The winners of the Turf have been:
1986-Manila
1993-Kotashaan
2003-High Chaparral

The winners of the Mile have been:
1986-Last Tycoon
1993-Lure
2003-Six Perfections

The lone winner of the F/M Turf was:
2003-Islington

Of that group, all of those horses were proven as not only grade one level horses but also as grade one winners. Of the seven, four were European based horses. Of the 21 horses to finish in the top three in the races, eight were European based horses and several more were transplanted Europeans. I can't see a single horse on this list that was not a legit winner and with Euro's holding a 4-3 edge in winners, I don't see how anyone can say it's unfair to them.
I stand corrected. Must be in my head. I really don't feel that their turf courses play like a true turf course as previously stated.

How could you leave my man Johar off that list though?

KY_Sasquash 02-08-2008 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Are you knocking my boy? Because Singletary was a fighter who finally got his just reward in the Lone Star BC. Just because he didn't come with a fancy pedigree, some East Coasters had to knock him but he was a heck of a better horse than some of the Storm Cat flashes-in-the-pan out there.

His win was severely aided by Jamie Spencer's horrendous ride on Antonius Pius. Any other jock on Antonius Pius' back and he wins the mile. Hardly a just reward. No matter to me, i got lucky and cashed on him, but he shouldve been 2nd.

slotdirt 02-08-2008 08:45 AM
I have no plans to bet or attend either the 08 or 09 Breeders Cups...strictly because they're at Santa Anita.

TitanSooner 02-08-2008 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt
I have no plans to bet or attend either the 08 or 09 Breeders Cups...strictly because they're at Santa Anita.
that ought to make them think twice about their decision

blackthroatedwind 02-08-2008 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I'll bet that everyone that says they won't watch or wager on the BC at Santa Anita........will.

Technically you are probably right but I can guarantee you that my handle will be less than 50% of what it usually is on BC Day and much less than my average handle on any racing day. Now, I don't really bet more on the average BC day, but now I will bet even less.

2Hot4TV 02-08-2008 11:13 AM
The Breeders Cup deservers to be showcased in at a facility that is equal to it's standards and Santa Anita is just that. There are only about 6 tracks in the US that can handle the Breeders Cup without major investments and the races should be rotated between those tracks and change the dates if weather is a major concern. I for one will be at Santa Anita in 2008/2009 and well enjoy every minute.

GBBob 02-08-2008 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Technically you are probably right but I can guarantee you that my handle will be less than 50% of what it usually is on BC Day and much less than my average handle on any racing day. Now, I don't really bet more on the average BC day, but now I will bet even less.
That surprised me given the value that is often present on horses with a shot at double digit odds.

Am I mistaken? I thought BC was generally a good betting day

SCUDSBROTHER 02-08-2008 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by GBBob
That surprised me given the value that is often present on horses with a shot at double digit odds.

Am I mistaken? I thought BC was generally a good betting day
BE A GOOD BETTING DAY IF THE TRACK WASN'T MESSED UP BY WEATHER(lately been too often the case.)I understand the notion that good horses should be able to handle it,but I'd rather not have weather be involved each time.Even the Belmont one had a questionable turf course.

SCUDSBROTHER 02-08-2008 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Are you knocking my boy? Because Singletary was a fighter who finally got his just reward in the Lone Star BC. Just because he didn't come with a fancy pedigree, some East Coasters had to knock him but he was a heck of a better horse than some of the Storm Cat flashes-in-the-pan out there.
Well,if you admit to running a horse who is fat,then you're gunna pay the price with people for a very long time.He should never have said that.He deserved the hell he caught,and I doubt he says it again.As for his big win,this is why it would be better to have less weather involved.There were horses who ran horrible on that turf,and came right back to win stakes on other turf courses.Neither of the 2 male Turf Lonestar B.C. winners could do anything the next year at Belmont.

blackthroatedwind 02-08-2008 05:19 PM
Steve Crist lambastes them in his Sunday column.

It's a subscription article but I'll see if it's OK to reprint it here.

blackthroatedwind 02-08-2008 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GBBob
That surprised me given the value that is often present on horses with a shot at double digit odds.

Am I mistaken? I thought BC was generally a good betting day
One man's good betting day is not necessarily another's. However, I would never argue with someone that says it's a great betting card. I'm just not usually someone who bets a lot of stakes races. My opinions are usually more esoteric maidens or turf horses.

I bet plenty on the BC, and enjoy the action, but my biggest bets are pretty much never on those races. But, with many races to at least dabble in, I am going to bet enough.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-08-2008 05:35 PM
Hopefully there isn't a debate between my incumbent congressman and his challenger on public access TV scheduled at the same time the synthetic Breeders Cup card goes.

I think I'd have to TIVO the BC.

philcski 02-08-2008 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Steve Crist lambastes them in his Sunday column.

It's a subscription article but I'll see if it's OK to reprint it here.
It's already up on DRF.com as a free article. As per Crist's norm, a succinct and factually correct argument as to why this was an extremely disappointing decision.

http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do...9&subs=0&arc=0

SCUDSBROTHER 02-09-2008 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by philcski
It's already up on DRF.com as a free article. As per Crist's norm, a succinct and factually correct argument as to why this was an extremely disappointing decision.

http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do...9&subs=0&arc=0
People from the east coast are just too f'n ignorant to realize we had to put synthetic in because we couldn't fill cards out here.We had 4-7 horses in almost every race except cal bred m32cl....O.K.? We had to get the horses we had to the track more...Had to. Dirt was making it impossible to have good cards.I don't think just making the dirt more "eastern" (slower times etc. )would have been enough.We don't have as many horses here.You must not remember how horrible the cards were getting out here.So bad I was playing New York.I haven't played New York now for quite a while.

2Hot4TV 02-09-2008 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
People from the east coast are just too f'n ignorant to realize we had to put synthetic in because we couldn't fill cards out here.We had 4-7 horses in almost every race except cal bred m32cl....O.K.? We had to get the horses we had to the track more...Had to. Dirt was making it impossible to have good cards.I don't think just making the dirt more "eastern" (slower times etc. )would have been enough.We don't have as many horses here.You must not remember how horrible the cards were getting out here.So bad I was playing New York.I haven't played New York now for quite a while.
Prior to Synthetic tracks in both NoCal and SoCal we couldn't get barns in the rest of the country to even consider shipping to take the money offered because of the dirt tracks. Look at Bay Meadow on dirt has reduced the field size back to 5 and 6 horse where Golden Gate had 7 to 10 in most races on Tapita. Synthetic race tracks are moving forward and are in everyones future.
How many horses that are training on dirt never make it to the track? I dont think the number would be the same for synthetic surfaces.

pmacdaddy 02-09-2008 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
People from the east coast are just too f'n ignorant to realize we had to put synthetic in because we couldn't fill cards out here.We had 4-7 horses in almost every race except cal bred m32cl....O.K.? We had to get the horses we had to the track more...Had to. Dirt was making it impossible to have good cards.I don't think just making the dirt more "eastern" (slower times etc. )would have been enough.We don't have as many horses here.You must not remember how horrible the cards were getting out here.So bad I was playing New York.I haven't played New York now for quite a while.
Well then, problem solved...

2Hot4TV 02-09-2008 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by pmacdaddy
Well then, problem solved...
Horses are working on Santa Anita's new synthetic surface this morning. Life is good again, till it rains?

SCUDSBROTHER 02-09-2008 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by pmacdaddy
Well then, problem solved...
Problem solved for a lot of us that had to put up with short fields.I just think anybody that says Cali rushed into this are ignorant.We had to try it.The option was to keep bleeding,or to try something new.Would have taken a 3 day week to get decent-sized fields.Even when HWD had the synthetic,and Anita didn't.Go back and look at the field sizes during the week in APRIL last year at Anita.Of course,I stopped playing.You must have competitive fields or the racing is not going to remain popular.

Scav 02-09-2008 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Problem solved for a lot of us that had to put up with short fields.I just think anybody that says Cali rushed into this are ignorant.We had to try it.The option was to keep bleeding,or to try something new.Would have taken a 3 day week to get decent-sized fields.Even when HWD had the synthetic,and Anita didn't.Go back and look at the field sizes during the week in APRIL last year at Anita.Of course,I stopped playing.You must have competitive fields or the racing is not going to remain popular.
Brotha Scuds PREACH TO ME!!!

SCUDSBROTHER 02-09-2008 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Brotha Scuds PREACH TO ME!!!
New York Dog Show this Monday-Tuesday.They best not give the toy group to one of them g damn Pomeranians.The Min Pins and Chihuahas need representation,man.They are unfairly being judged because it doesn't take forever to make them look good.You watch the Min Pin.He is gunna have the best movement of any of the toys.They have a co cky (hackney) gait.They look best each year,but these judges vote for toys that act like f'n cats.

Scav 02-09-2008 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
New York Dog Show this Monday-Tuesday.They best not give the toy group to one of them g damn Pomeranians.The Min Pins and Chihuahas need representation,man.They are unfairly being judged because it doesn't take forever to make them look good.You watch the Min Pin.He is gunna have the best movement of any of the toys.They have a co cky (hackney) gait.They look best each year,but these judges vote for toys that act like f'n cats.
I was talking about horses :)

You're so comedy

SCUDSBROTHER 02-09-2008 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Scav
I was talking about horses :)

You're so comedy
I'm done.I think it's fair to be against running the cup out here,but I just think we had to try the synthetics.You remember when that Mike character was around here? Well,that's when I was playing New York and Florida.That's when are SOCAL cards sucked the most.Now,I play SOCAL (:rolleyes: if they ever fkn run again.)If you don't have field size,then you don't have a product people are going to care about.

Scav 02-09-2008 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I'm done.I think it's fair to be against running the cup out here,but I just think we had to try the synthetics.You remember when that Mike character was around here? Well,that's when I was playing New York and Florida.That's when are SOCAL cards sucked the most.Now,I play SOCAL (:rolleyes: if they ever fkn run again.)If you don't have field size,then you don't have a product people are going to care about.
Are you playing the P6 today or what? Go to selections thread and yap it out

SCUDSBROTHER 02-09-2008 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Are you playing the P6 today or what? Go to selections thread and yap it out
Can't you tell how excited I am? I guess I'll post one.Kinda think it's more interesting to see how the Chinese can somehow name a year after a damn RAT.Isn't that like naming a year after a bowel movement?

AeWingnut 02-09-2008 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Are you knocking my boy? Because Singletary was a fighter who finally got his just reward in the Lone Star BC. Just because he didn't come with a fancy pedigree, some East Coasters had to knock him but he was a heck of a better horse than some of the Storm Cat flashes-in-the-pan out there.
I hit that exacta. Singletary with some crazy euro horse. nice pay day.

AeWingnut 02-09-2008 07:49 PM
I think the same people that decided to squeeze the lemon into two days - came up with the back to back Santa Anita scenerio... aided by the fact that Churchill wanted a bigger cut.

I don't need to go to the actual races and deal with the crowds to enjoy the races.

People that only like to go to events are not going to be there for you every weekend. So why pis soff the ones that are? Don't think I won't stop.
I have before and I will again.


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