right. imo more of a head issue than a knee issue. she's still fairly green, isn't she? i know she ran once at two, and then quite a bit of time off this year. at any rate, hope for a fast track for next time, maybe you'll get a better accounting from her.

I hate to make excuses for her but here I go. Of her six starts, one was a very tough 52K MSW...one was after surgery and a long layoff...KD is a quirky track without knee high grass and very soft turf(you had to see it to believe it)and Wednesday's slop was a first for her. I like to see her catch a fast dirt strip before we give up on her. After all...experience wise she's still a two yr. old.

Has exited the race injured.. Not good. More from Chuck later.

sad news, hope she's OK

Seemed OK immediately after, but 48 hours always the telltale, and Chuck didn't like the way she was moving Friday. And she was worse Saturday. More today.

Bummer

hope it's nothing serious, and that she'll be ok.

More knee chips. still very sore. Considering options but further racing may be too risky.

more surgery to clean out the knees? or can they be left if her racing career is done?

damn.


she's got such talent, just could never catch a break i guess.

Probably be ok to leave in if no more racing. Even with surgery, the prognois is fair at best.

Never got one.

Poor Aldebutante - turns out she really was protecting her knees. I wish her a speedy and pain free recovery to her next career, whatever it will be. I just wish she could have caught at least one break in her brief career as a racehorse.

We need to find her a nice home as a lawn ornament out to pasture, not carrying the weight of pregnancy on those knees?

Boy, that's for sure, 'Zig - she never could catch a break.

Do knee chips cause broodmare weight-bearing problems? If so, how??

I can understand how problematic they are for a runner, but for a broodmare, I don't quite grasp the issue they might cause. Please explain....

I've heard that bone chips often eventually cause soreness or arthritis if they aren't removed. If they move around it can cause more damage.
But then I'm not a vet.
At least it's certainly not life threatening.

Ok, I agree that floaters can get lodged in the wrong spot and cause a problem. But how does the extra weight from bearing a foal cause problems from a chip?

I don't know how sore she is, or how bad her knees are, that's why my question mark. Chuck will let us know if he thinks she can be a broodmare.

Horses carry 60% of their weight on their front ends, add the weight gain from pregnancy, and some horses with physical problems can end up with alot of pain during pregnancy. Don't forget horses spend most of their life standing, walking.

I dont think she will have any issues being a broodmare in the near future especially since she wouldnt be bred till Spring and wouldn't start adding weight for awhile. Maybe as she ages arthritis will become an issue but sometimes it doesnt. The question is should she be bred and on what terms?

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I imagine she could be bred to Victory Gallop in Turkey

now, that's the real question. on that note, would anyone be interested in her as a broodmare prospect? right now isn't exactly the best time to be dealing with a b/m prospect, especially one who didn't do much racewise.

If she isn't broodmare material, then let's minimize the losses and move on.

I'd rather take the remaining money from Rampy's claim and purse money and use it to claim a horse for Chuck at Philly Park. And I'd prefer to turn the deal into a dayrate partnership.

How much do we have remaining from purse and claim money? $18k, $19k? $8k gets a decent open claimer that runs for a $27k purse at Philly......

Just wait until that Eid-ul-Adha (Festival of Sacrifice) thing is over.

Would anybody even look at her in this eco climate, at the Jan sale?

I am getting to the point where I need an old-fogey hack horse, but I doubt she'd be one that would be happy with that! :D

You put the smiley face at the end of your post but how would you know what she wants to do?

She may be a great pasture ornament. Or, she might be very unhappy standing in a field. This idea that she'd make a good ornament troubles me as none of us knows what is best for her. The general statement of "let's find a good home... " can only be authenticized by the person that actually ends up with her, or any other horse we own. Our intent may be for the best, but you just never know unless you are the one that takes the horse.

LOL - I'm guessing by her personality. It's still $400-$600 a month for everything (here) to have a horse standing in a field, eating grass, for 25 years. Nothing wrong with that in my view, but someone has to pay for it.

Up to Chuck and Steve. I'm on board with whatever they decide.

So, let me get this right -you are big on turning her into a field horse as long as it is at someone's else's expense??

And I whole-heartedly agree - whatever Chuck decides.....

:zz: Huh? Uh, no, said nothing like that :zz:

Maybe she can pull magnets past coils.

OK..Your preferences are known.., but how does everyone else weigh in and I'm still not sure there is any money available anyway.

No offense, but how do you think the DT horses are eating, getting vet work done, paying for surgeries, anything for that matter?

Will you be the person responcible for collecting the daily fees from the50-70 partners? Part of the reason for one time fee was ease of administration. Chuck and Steve will make a good descision let's be patient. I also doubt with her medical history that there is much if any $$$ remaining.

I don't see how there could possibly be any $ left.

I just saw this. Too bad.

I look forward to future updates from Chuck and Steve on the situation.

Rampillion's modest earnings were fortuitous as they luckily paid for Aldebutante's surgery and aftercare. Distribution of Rampillion's earnings to Chuck and Linda; 50% of the claim money to Chuck to defray his losses; transport of the pair to and from venues (Kentucky Downs, Linda Albert, etc.); turnouts, and the rest of the expenses we handle from the Stable side leaves us with enough to cover taking care of Aldeb until we can sell her... if we can sell her.

We will try to arrange for a good sire to get her in foal and she will be put in a sale next fall. That's the optimal scenario. In that arrangement, we might get something back for her.

While the yearling purchases weren't overtly successful at first glance, we did get the pair to the races. That in itself was an accomplishment. We had the experience of taking horses from sale to breaking to racing to career end via injury and losing one to a claim. It was probably an overly ambitious attempt, given our meager bankroll, so we can only thank Chuck and Linda for their generosity and each other for making it possible.

Just gave a quick glance to the monies on Dee Tee 03 so everyone understands the expenses and flow...

Rampillion earned $14,700 (or so) for us and was claimed for $10,000. (total $24,700)

$7,350 of earnings (50%) back to trainers and $5,000 to Chuck off the claim. ($12,350).

After that, 35% goes to operating fund of the specific group ($8,645) and 15% go to general operating overhead of Dee Tee as a whole ($3,700).

Operating revenue of $8,645 from Rampillion... PLUS third place money from Aldeb's Arlington comeback race (@$1,200 net) = $9,850.

Of that, Aldeb's surgery and aftercare: $4,000.

Davant, Latham for Insurance on Aldeb: $2,461

Estimated Transport expenses included

• Aldeb to and from NY for debut;
  
• Rampillion to Linda Albert;
  
• Aldeb to and from Chicago and KY Downs;
  
• Rampillion to and from Turfway;
  
• Both to and from turnout stays:

Estimated $1,800 (and likely higher)

Extra expenses along the way have included special farrier care/glue on shoes for Aldeb: $500-$700.

You get the picture I'm sure... We've also helped Chuck with unusual vet care needs like tests and vitamins for Aldeb when her various imbalances arose...

Steve or Chuck,

Can you e-mail me the radiographic images of her knees?

I would like to read them and also I could have my good friend Dr Scott Palmer look at them. Between the two of us we could try to figure out what the next move would be.

If there is not a lot of displacement of the chips, stall rest, hydrotherapy and moderate NSAID for a time can aid in healing and getting her compfortable. Once the really cold weather sets in, a blister of her knees, shins and ankles followed by standing in snowy patures would help strenthen those areas, and set up stronger healing. This technique sounds "old fashioned", but it worked for Woody Stevens when I Knew him while I was an assistant working for Dr. Reed. If she needs Adaqaun an Legend therapy as well, I can donate that to her.

She could well be pasture to light activity sound, even cary a foal. Young horses will suprise you with their capacity to heal when the proper techiniques and judicious physical threrapy are inclulded.

cball@summitvetpharm.com or cabvmd86@cs.com

That's a great plan, versus hoping for a sale empty in Jan. Thanks to Chuck for being willing to keep covering expenses and keep her until then.

If that partnership would benefit by a little more cash infusion, I'm in.

Sorry to hear about the horses bad luck and knees, The business sucks sometimes. Sounds like with a little TLC, and proper care she will be ok to resume her life as a horse. That isn't the worst news you will ever hear!