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Seattleallstar 08-28-2010 06:41 PM

Isle of Giants lulls them to sleep and steals the Pacific Classic to top off the P Val comeback at Del Mar.

RockHardTen1985 08-28-2010 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 689056)
No GOAT?


No GOAT here....2,4,7 equally on everything.

Sightseek 08-28-2010 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 689060)
No GOAT here....2,4,7 equally on everything.

I used him with the 4 & 7 - hoping 4 is on top....

RockHardTen1985 08-28-2010 06:50 PM

Stop the race, ill take the tri and exacta 2.

10 pnt move up 08-28-2010 06:52 PM

Big Money Rider

Dahoss 08-28-2010 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 689067)
Big Money Rider

This is getting old, no?

10 pnt move up 08-28-2010 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 689068)
This is getting old, no?

not for me, or my friends.

Dahoss 08-28-2010 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 689069)
not for me, or my friends.

I'm just going to bite my tongue. Have a good night.

freddymo 08-28-2010 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 689067)
Big Money Rider

Is he going to rider RKid in the Classic? lol

10 pnt move up 08-28-2010 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 689072)
Is he going to rider RKid in the Classic? lol

RK could not beat a donkey on dirt

Sightseek 08-28-2010 07:59 PM

Once upon a time they used to run these two races fast.

10 pnt move up 08-28-2010 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 689089)
Once upon a time they used to run these two races fast.

Once upon a time horse racing was a sport, now its just a business (a bad business if you bet on them).

The Indomitable DrugS 08-28-2010 08:31 PM

Thankfully both Crowded House and Fly Down picked the absolute right horse to lose to. If they had run 2nd to Dakota Phone and First Dude instead of Richard's Kid and Afleet Express.. I'd be suicidal right now.

I don't know which group of bettors is more hopeless - the ones who bet Admiral Alex to single digit odds or the ones who made The Usual QT a solid favorite off of his pathetic synthetic track form.

Indian Charlie 08-28-2010 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 689107)
Thankfully both Crowded House and Fly Down picked the absolute right horse to lose to. If they had run 2nd to Dakota Phone and First Dude instead of Richard's Kid and Afleet Express.. I'd be suicidal right now.

I don't know which group of bettors is more hopeless - the ones who bet Admiral Alex to single digit odds or the ones who made The Usual QT a solid favorite off of his pathetic synthetic track form.

Cassidy for running The QT in the wrong race today, he's the most hopeless.

CSC 08-28-2010 10:18 PM

Make that the 6th horse to win a grade 1 out of the 7 that raced in the Classic last year that are still racing in 2010. I think that number is safe, since Mine That Bird is being trained by the antiquated D Wayne Lukas.

Dahoss 08-28-2010 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 689152)
Make that the 6th horse to win a grade 1 out of the 7 that raced in the Classic last year that are still racing in 2010. I think that number is safe, since Mine That Bird is being trained by the antiquated D Wayne Lukas.

Didn't Richard's Kid win a (in name only) grade 1 last year?

CSC 08-28-2010 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 689154)
Didn't Richard's Kid win a (in name only) grade 1 last year?

If we all have this mentality, then the Woodward last year would be a grade 1 in name only.

Dahoss 08-28-2010 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 689158)
If we all have this mentality, then the Woodward last year would be a grade 1 in name only also.

I'm just trying to figure out what you are saying. Are you saying RK was the 6th horse since the Classic to win a grade 1, because I don't think that is the case.

Dahoss 08-28-2010 10:41 PM

Nevermind, you were right. I forgot about Awesome Gem. Can't really blame me there.

CSC 08-28-2010 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 689161)
I'm just trying to figure out what you are saying. Are you saying RK was the 6th horse since the Classic to win a grade 1, because I don't think that is the case.

DH, I think you know what I was referring to. Anyway I'll say it again RK is the 6th horse to exit the 09 Classic field to win a grade 1 this year out of the 7 that have raced this year. Name me another race last year that can boast that %?

Dahoss 08-28-2010 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 689166)
DH, I think you know what I was referring to. Anyway I'll say it again RK is the 6th horse to exit the 09 Classic field to win a grade 1 this year out of the 7 that have raced this year. Name me another race last year that can boast that %?

Unless you look at the races they won and who was in them, this stuff really doesn't matter. What person in their right mind would use the results of that trainwreck of a race today as some sort of way to boast about Zenyatta?

DaTruth 08-28-2010 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 689166)
DH, I think you know what I was referring to. Anyway I'll say it again RK is the 6th horse to exit the 09 Classic field to win a grade 1 this year out of the 7 that have raced this year.

How many of those Grade 1 wins this year have been on real dirt?

CSC 08-28-2010 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 689170)
Unless you look at the races they won and who was in them, this stuff really doesn't matter. What person in their right mind would use the results of that trainwreck of a race today as some sort of way to boast about Zenyatta?

This has more to do with hearing how crappy the Classic field was last year. Everytime a horse wins a grade 1 that comes out of it, I certainly want to remind people that it was indeed a bad field. :rolleyes:

Furthermore, this Zenyatta thing is old, infact I rarely am the first to bring it. When I said I moved on, I mean't it. And really there is nothing for me to add until she runs in the Classic. Look at the posts here of mine this year, I'll let them speak for themselves. If others phish for a response I may give them one, but this is hardly the reason why I post here.

CSC 08-28-2010 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 689172)
How many of those Grade 1 wins this year have been on real dirt?

Probably none, but what does this have to do with the field that lined up in the 09 Classic?

Indian Charlie 08-28-2010 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC1985 (Post 689180)
This has more to do with hearing how crappy the Classic field was last year. Everytime a horse wins a grade 1 that comes out of it, I certainly want to remind people that it was indeed a bad field. :rolleyes:

Furthermore, this Zenyatta thing is old, infact I rarely am the first to bring it. When I said I moved on, I mean't it. And really there is nothing for me to add until she runs in the Classic. Look at the posts here of mine this year, I'll let them speak for themselves. If others phish for a response I may give them one, but this is hardly the reason why I post here.

Why do you post here? To torture people that can think for themselves, as opposed to parroting what some idiotic talking heads say on TV?

Dahoss 08-28-2010 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 689180)
This has more to do with hearing how crappy the Classic field was last year. Everytime a horse wins a grade 1 that comes out of it, I certainly want to remind people that it was indeed a bad field. :rolleyes:

Furthermore, this Zenyatta thing is old, infact I rarely am the first to bring it. When I said I moved on, I mean't it. And really there is nothing for me to add until she runs in the Classic. Look at the posts here of mine this year, I'll let them speak for themselves. If others phish for a response I may give them one, but this is hardly the reason I am here.

Again, when you are using Awesome Gem and Richard's Kid to somehow validate your opinion, something is wrong.

Spare me the nonsense about why you are here.

DaTruth 08-28-2010 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 689183)
Probably none, but what does this have to do with the field that lined up in the 09 Classic?

The Breeders Cup Classic is one of the most important dirt races in North America. It is a shame if the horses who ran in it cannot compete at the highest levels on real dirt.

DaTruth 08-28-2010 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 689192)
Again, when you are using Awesome Gem and Richard's Kid to somehow validate your opinion, something is wrong.

Spare me the nonsense about why you are here.

Richard's Kid was an ordinary horse on dirt. He was dusted by Macho Again in the 2009 New Orleans Handicap. He moves to the fake stuff and has now twice won the richest race in California.

CSC 08-28-2010 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 689187)
Why do you post here? To torture people that can think for themselves, as opposed to parroting what some idiotic talking heads say on TV?

Why do you post here? To make idiotic comments about races
/horses after the fact, or to just name call? It's a tough call but I'll say it's a tie for all of the above.

CSC 08-28-2010 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 689193)
The Breeders Cup Classic is one of the most important dirt races in North America. It is a shame if the horses who ran in it cannot compete at the highest levels on real dirt.

But aren't half the Major tracks in NA on synth and half on dirt? You can say the same thing this year at CD. Half the horses that should be at CD will not be there or won't be as effective. Does that diminish this year's Classic because of this?

hockey2315 08-28-2010 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 689204)
But aren't half the Major tracks in NA on synth and half on dirt? You can say the same thing this year at CD. Half the horses that should be at CD will not be there or won't be as effective. Does that diminish this year's Classic because of this?

You can't be serious.

CSC 08-28-2010 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 689205)
You can't be serious.

What's not serious about this? Or is this a dirt-centric bias working here. Like it or not, racing today is a combination of dirt and synthetics. I have accepted it, you may tell me it is an unfair surface, but seeing a sprinter stretch out on dirt on a speed favoring surface and running like an energizer bunny, is this fair also? Is this a superior/better surface?

hockey2315 08-28-2010 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 689206)
What's not serious about this? Or is this a dirt-centric bias working here. Like it or not, racing today is a combination of dirt and synthetics. I have accepted it, you may tell me it is an unfair surface, but seeing a sprinter stretch out on dirt on a speed favoring surface and running like an energizer bunny, is this fair also? Is this a superior/better surface?

Racing in America has been dirt-centric for quite some time now. . . like ummm forever. Synthetics are not here to stay and will never compare in any way to a fair dirt track. To put them on equal terms is absurd, but it's to be expected from you.

Smooth Operator 08-28-2010 11:43 PM

Euro runners must really suck since they don't race on "real dirt"...

CSC 08-28-2010 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 689207)
Racing in America has been dirt-centric for quite some time now. . . like ummm forever. Synthetics are not here to stay and will never compare in any way to a fair dirt track. To put them on equal terms is absurd, but it's to be expected from you.

I think my point was since we have only 3-4 major dirt tracks running at the moment, the form for the classic will come down to these tracks barring the European shippers and we both know they do not race on dirt over there. Just as it was for the Classic in 09. A fact many have stated it was a watered down classic because no dirt horse could succeed over that surface. I have a question, what happens if a synth horse wins the classic? When or if it happens, will the $hit hit the fan here?

DaTruth 08-28-2010 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 689210)
Euro runners must really suck since they don't race on "real dirt"...

Quarter horse must suck since they don't race very far, and steeplechase horses must suck because they race too far.

Danzig 08-28-2010 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 689204)
But aren't half the Major tracks in NA on synth and half on dirt? You can say the same thing this year at CD. Half the horses that should be at CD will not be there or won't be as effective. Does that diminish this year's Classic because of this?

no. new york is all dirt, churchill's dirt, so is fla, louisiana, arkansas, md...

and thankfully, one less cali track will be on the fake stuff soon.

Indian Charlie 08-29-2010 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 689201)
Why do you post here? To make idiotic comments about races
/horses after the fact, or to just name call? It's a tough call but I'll say it's a tie for all of the above.

I've told you this before.

But, to reiterate.

First came the Horse Whisperer.

Next came the Dog Whisperer.

Then the Ghost Whisperer.

I am the Tard Whisperer. My purpose here on Earth is to get tards to see the light.

Clearly I am unqualified when it comes to certain tards though.

CSC 08-29-2010 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 689222)
I've told you this before.

But, to reiterate.

First came the Horse Whisperer.

Next came the Dog Whisperer.

Then the Ghost Whisperer.

I am the Tard Whisperer. My purpose here on Earth is to get tards to see the light.

Clearly I am unqualified when it comes to certain tards though.

Tard is an appropiate word for you to use, do you want me to add you to my PM list so we can continue you this in private, I'll make a special case for you. I will add your name IC, though right now I can think of better words that fit your profile. No, it doesn't start with Z and ends with A. How about Guano?

Indian Charlie 08-29-2010 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 689241)
Tard is an appropiate word for you to use, do you want me to add you to my PM list so we can continue you this in private, I'll make a special case for you. I will add your name IC, though right now I can think of better words that fit your profile. No, it doesn't start with Z and ends with A. How about Guano?

Sure. Whatever works for ya.


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