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alysheba4 05-06-2011 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 774408)
He will make Stay Thirsty the favorite??

....we can only hope.

Clip-Clop 05-06-2011 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by alysheba4 (Post 774419)
....we can only hope.

That might just empty the coffers.

Travis Stone 05-06-2011 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 774370)
Pletcher now saying "critics of Repole for entering and excluding Sway Away should take it up with Churchill or the Kentucky Racing Commission, not Team Mo." LOL. I'd love to know why people flock to give this guy horses. He's Teflon, deflecting everything. I suppose Life At Ten wasn't his fault, either.

I had this same conversation this morning with a friend...

It's a fine line, right? He didn't break any rules, and he effectively eliminated one more horse his other horse has to beat (not that it helps, but you know what I'm saying). On the other hand, there is the sportsmanship component and the "for the good of the game" ... but in black/white, they did nothing wrong.

It's sort of like when the golfers in the US Open fired their drives over another hole to hit the green in one. That night, tournament officials planted a tree off the tee so they couldn't do it, and forced them to use the dogleg/fairway.

Part of me has a hard time pointing fingers at someone who does everything within the rules, the other part of me thinks Sway Away deserves a chance, and the final part of me realizes the handle significance of the move. The answer is somewhere in the middle.

randallscott35 05-06-2011 09:56 AM

Danthebluegrassman was the same **** by the way.

slotdirt 05-06-2011 09:57 AM

It's not like they pulled a Danthebluegrassman. They had an exceptionally talented colt and waited until the day before the race to declare him from the race. If this were any other race at any other time of the year, nobody would care.

joeydb 05-06-2011 10:06 AM

This sucks. Wanted him in, along with his huge pool of money. I do not want him hurt of course.

Dahoss 05-06-2011 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 774427)
It's not like they pulled a Danthebluegrassman. They had an exceptionally talented colt and waited until the day before the race to declare him from the race. If this were any other race at any other time of the year, nobody would care.

Now you're just trolling.

slotdirt 05-06-2011 10:14 AM

I take offense to that.

randallscott35 05-06-2011 10:17 AM

I don't feed trolls. They starve.

Dahoss 05-06-2011 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 774436)
I take offense to that.

What else could it be?

pointman 05-06-2011 10:32 AM

Does anyone know if they move the 1-17 horses out one stall or do 19 and 20 move in? If they move 1-17 out one stall, the scratch could be huge for Archarcharch's chances from the 1 hole.

Clip-Clop 05-06-2011 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 774442)
Does anyone know if they move the 1-17 horses out one stall or do 19 and 20 move in? If they move 1-17 out one stall, the scratch could be huge for Archarcharch's chances from the 1 hole.

In, he is still buried.

Patrick333 05-06-2011 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 774442)
Does anyone know if they move the 1-17 horses out one stall or do 19 and 20 move in? If they move 1-17 out one stall, the scratch could be huge for Archarcharch's chances from the 1 hole.

He stays in the one. They move the horses outside of Mo down one position.

FGFan 05-06-2011 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 774352)
Forget the specific horse that was excluded... Does anyone care to do the financials of what cutting the field to 19 cost the industry in lost handle?

An outrageously selfish act from someone professing to 'love the game'.


Really!!! A completely selfish act, everyone knew he was going to scratch. Even if what Travis thinks is their motivation for one less horse to compete against ST, a valid point, it's a Very, Very poor showing of true sportsmanship and a professed love of the game. That would be a manipulation of the game and the rules should be changed for this type of a situation.

FGFan 05-06-2011 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 774336)
LOL, someone at Thoroughbred Times took a photo of the chimney over Pletcher's barn with "White smoke means Repole has reached a decision on whether Uncle Mo will run"

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.ph...type=1&theater

That's very funny!!!! :p

OldDog 05-06-2011 11:24 AM

First of all, if Mo isn't 100% I'm glad they scratched him. Obviously it would have preferable for the announcement to have come earlier, but it's some small consolation that he's staying in the barn where he should be. Maybe some day Dr. Allday will be able to describe to us the information that the vets have, and what it did and more importantly didn't tell them. Thinking that the infection was the culprit, treating it accordingly, seeing improvement, but seeing Mo's condition go in the wrong direction when he was taken off the meds -- Pletcher is pretty reticent, but if you've seen him enough you can tell that this has driven him crazy. I wonder how long since he first wanted to call off Mo running in the Derby.

Then there's this one elevated enzyme that, in the absence of other blood chemistry levels which would normally point toward liver, heart, etc. leaves top veterinarians baffled because it alone doesn't point anywhere. The three vets have got to be so frustrated. I'd really like to know where they go next with his diagnosis and treatment, but we likely won't get to hear much about it. I'm not happy with the entry and subsequent scratch, but I'm glad he's not running, and I hope the vets can get to the bottom of his problem and sort it out and get him ready to run this summer. From a purely selfish standpoint I'm glad not to feel like I have to include him in my bets. With his last race at Churchill still fresh enough in my mind, I was going to have a tough time excluding him, even with all the doubts this spring.

That's all I've got, except that it's all about the horse, so get well Uncly Mo.

slotdirt 05-06-2011 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 774440)
What else could it be?

An opinion?

Merlinsky 05-06-2011 12:18 PM

Never should've entered a horse that's 50/50 for the race because of some weird ailment that wasn't going away, Sway Away or no Sway Away. Then add the injustice of keeping SA out when Mo never should've gone in. Jim Rome asked Baffert about the situation before the scratch, and Baffert stopped short of saying he wouldn't go because said he didn't know what was going on behind the scenes, and he thought Mo'd looked good galloping.

Dahoss 05-06-2011 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 774472)
An opinion?

You're defending him for the sake of defending him. So far your defense is Pletcher is bad too (although he's the one that told him he shouldn't run) and at least he isn't Danthebluegrassman.

It's okay to admit he acted like a douche all week.

freddymo 05-06-2011 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 774479)
You're defending him for the sake of defending him. So far your defense is Pletcher is bad too (although he's the one that told him he shouldn't run) and at least he isn't Danthebluegrassman.

It's okay to admit he acted like a douche all week.

shouldnt we have DrugS check with the facebook gal to get the real story?

slotdirt 05-06-2011 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 774479)
You're defending him for the sake of defending him. So far your defense is Pletcher is bad too (although he's the one that told him he shouldn't run) and at least he isn't Danthebluegrassman.

It's okay to admit he acted like a douche all week.

I said the whole leadup was beyond retarded. I don't know what else you want me to say. Should they have not entered in the first place? I have no idea.

randallscott35 05-06-2011 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 774485)
I said the whole leadup was beyond retarded. I don't know what else you want me to say. Should they have not entered in the first place? I have no idea.

:wf

Cannon Shell 05-06-2011 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 774410)
Find me a bazillionaire without an ego, particularly one involved in competitive enterprises.

FreddyMo

freddymo 05-06-2011 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 774493)
FreddyMo


I am too big of an idiot to have billion and or an ego

Cannon Shell 05-06-2011 01:09 PM

Are people left that remember that the Derby didn't always have a 20 horse field? That actually having a chance to win meant something, at least to established trainers and owners? That making the field doesn't actually "qualify" you for the race?

I have little sympathy for the connections of the horses that don't get in. It is the same as the bubble in the NCAA tourney. It may be a nice story but those teams/horses really have no chance anyway.

randallscott35 05-06-2011 01:10 PM

Should be 14.

Cannon Shell 05-06-2011 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 774496)
I am too big of an idiot to have billion and or an ego

You have to be close to a billion by now. I know you are ego-less.

Nascar1966 05-06-2011 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 774424)
I had this same conversation this morning with a friend...

It's a fine line, right? He didn't break any rules, and he effectively eliminated one more horse his other horse has to beat (not that it helps, but you know what I'm saying). On the other hand, there is the sportsmanship component and the "for the good of the game" ... but in black/white, they did nothing wrong.

It's sort of like when the golfers in the US Open fired their drives over another hole to hit the green in one. That night, tournament officials planted a tree off the tee so they couldn't do it, and forced them to use the dogleg/fairway.

Part of me has a hard time pointing fingers at someone who does everything within the rules, the other part of me thinks Sway Away deserves a chance, and the final part of me realizes the handle significance of the move. The answer is somewhere in the middle.

I think your're talking about Fuzzy Zoeller years ago he did that at the US Open.

freddymo 05-06-2011 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 774497)
Are people left that remember that the Derby didn't always have a 20 horse field? That actually having a chance to win meant something, at least to established trainers and owners? That making the field doesn't actually "qualify" you for the race?

I have little sympathy for the connections of the horses that don't get in. It is the same as the bubble in the NCAA tourney. It may be a nice story but those teams/horses really have no chance anyway.

Becareful Chuck Hopefully one day you have one and you get in when someone is gracious an scratches..

Sightseek 05-06-2011 04:21 PM

Oh come on you guys --- Repole saying "I will NOT be making him (Stay Thirsty) the favorite. I repeat I will NOT be making him the favorite" was hilarious!

Cannon Shell 05-06-2011 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 774505)
Becareful Chuck Hopefully one day you have one and you get in when someone is gracious an scratches..

They do you a favor when they exclude your horse. The only thing I would regret is that I wasn't able to sell the horse for some huge price and let some other dope sweat out getting in to run 17th.

freddymo 05-06-2011 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 774628)
They do you a favor when they exclude your horse. The only thing I would regret is that I wasn't able to sell the horse for some huge price and let some other dope sweat out getting in to run 17th.


I would take a shot with any decent colt this year.. These are bad horses.. How many would the Ky Oaks Rachel win this race by? If you had a 90ish BSF plug you would go into this race with a punchers chance. Yea I get selling in advance to some need to be but that isnt the point of Repole not scratching in advance with acolt that they knew was KAKA for 6 months


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