Putover, to me, is any horse who wins while obviously backed with insider money or for reasons not visable in anyway on paper.

We disagree that she was totally unplayable on paper. No big deal.

I see over at the Eclipse Awards voting thread that Steve voted for Sassy Image for Female Sprinter. This should add more drama to this thread, right?

Playable on paper at 16/1 in that spot?

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Good site. Not the greatest liquidity...but you'll have no trouble getting down for $20 to $50 anytime. Please Sign up...you'd have trapped me into atleast 50/1 for sure with a horse like that.

They pay US residents fast.

Not really.

She was easily the best female sprinter in the country for all of the two entire months she was healthy after her throat surgery.

I think Beyer, Crist, and a lot of those guys also voted for her.

You keep moving the goal posts and it's not something I even care about so I'm not going to keep going. You presented your side...another side was presented and no one's mind is going to change.

What else needs to be said?

There is no other side.

I simply don't believe anyone who says the horse was playable at 16/1 or even 36/1. They are lying.

Shucks!

Admitting you are wrong has never been one of your strong suits. I can certainly relate.

You're a brilliant horse racing analyst, but sometimes you're wrong. This is one of those times IMO.

Did you consult The Fat Charts?

Just for another perspective on her with my figures, which are adjusted for weight and also for maturity.



She ran well at 2 and very early 3. I had her with figures in the 90s a few times. Obviously, something went amiss. She came back almost a year later and ran very close to her previous best, and did it in a race with a ridiculously slow pace, meaning most likely she might have done even better figure wise with a reasonable pace.

Next out, she faces better and gets caught on a moderate pace while four wide in her second race off a long layoff. Isn't this the ideal bounce situation? I'm not a big bounce guy at all, but if there is going to be one, it usually happens second off the big layoff. Being wide around the turn in a race where the pace is picking up (note the 88 half, 97 3/4) is not a good trip.

So, next she shows up in the Humana with two much better than looks on Beyer races third off the layoff. I am not trying to say this horse was obvious, but come on, she wasn't hopeless all things considered. When you throw in that she got what I would call an absolute dream of a trip with a 128 figure 1/4 mile in a 7f race, is the result really that surprising? Don't lots of horses explode third time off the bench?

Had you told me Hilda's Passion would run off early by at least three lengths faster than she ever had before and that the only other off the pace types were a badly off form Evening Jewel and a so so Oklahoma bred, I'd have unloaded on her.

Absolutely. It's informative, with touches of humor. I think it deserves a new, special Eclipse Award.