Freddy just can’t figure it out.

THIS is the shithole country.

:tro:

That Onion article is always very amusing and sobering everytime there’s a mass shooting

The more info that comes out, the worse the police in Uvalde are looking.

That’s because it makes us confront our societal gun fetish. We didn’t do anything after Sandy Hook. We won’t do anything after this.

Freddy represents America. The thing we do after a massacre is worry about access to guns.

Greatest country in the world with the greatest people. I here Budapest in Hungry really becoming a wonderful place to live as well

So don't you see the reaction to access guns as just that when people are emotional about taking them away? The way I see it, if you didn't have people politicizing a tragedy, you wouldn't have people reacting to their narrative

The way I politicized it? Or the way you are?

I’m noting facts. Nothing gets done after massacres. We are a society of gun fetishist’s.

You are the one using a massacre to complain about your access to guns.

Which one of us politicized this?

No one is trying to take away your guns. Keep them all.

Not every state is New Jersey. This kid was able to go to a store and buy TWO guns, with just an ID.

No background check, no mental evaluation, no waiting period. Again, if I wanted to adopt a pet right now I’d be vetted more throughly than if I wanted to buy an AR-15.

If you can’t see a problem with that, I’m not sure what else there is to say.

What do you propose we do to try and prevent this from happening again? Because it feels like your answer is nothing…which is kind of sad.

What are your thoughts on those well Funded police Freddie...

40% of the Uvalde's municipal budget and they did everything wrong. Their botching of the response 100% supports the defund concept.

Freddy is of course clueless about what defund the police really means. Essentially, it's the reapplication of monies currently used for militarization of forces towards education and social infrastructure that can reduce crime and confrontation potential differently.

Here's a terrific Brookings piece that explains and debunks the common defund myths: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/how-w...lice-debunked/

So you really think that kind of program would have prevented this lone nutjob from cracking and going on a spree?

And how many years until these programs yield results?
And who protects the public in the meantime?

Every police department has a mayor and some kind of council, they don't operate in a vacuum. Isn't it the job of the elected officials to ensure their police operate fairly and effectively?

We have been defunding since 2020.....can you point out any success storiies, drops in violent crime rates......

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/defund...pened-n1278506

Hard to take the rest of the post serious after your first question

Why?
Do you think it would?
You ask Freddie what his solution is, what's yours?

All you seem to do is offer nothing but anti-conservative rhetoric.
Surely a smart guy like you can do better.

I’ve offered up what I’d do many times already in this thread.

I didn’t think wanting background checks, wait times, etc was anti-conservative rhetoric. To me it’s common sense.

You know defunding wouldn’t have stopped this. That wasn’t the point. Surely a smart guy like you can do better.

Yup.
Background checks are commonsense.
Now tell what do we do about the tremdouse number of guns out sold illegally, or stolen?

Gun controll alone won't stop mass shootings.
Defunding now 2 years old.....where are the successes?
What is the point of defunding if it isn't working?

Try engaging in conversation instead of bluster.

If they included educational programs that stem bullying of those with speech defects (in this case) or provide outreach for those traumatized by bullying, yes. Quite possibly.

But it's hard to encourage an environment of empathy when the mocking of the physically, mentally or emotionally challenged is being promoted, encouraged or endorsed. Same would be true of racism.

I always like when you get frustrated. Your spelling gets worse and you start to make even less sense than usual.

No sh.it gun control alone won't stop mass shootings. It's a step. There is no easy fix.

The point of gun control is to make it more difficult for mass shootings. To make it more difficult for people with mental illness to get a gun. Will it totally stop someone who wants a gun bad enough from getting one? Of course not. But it's better than doing nothing.

At some point we need to address the mental illness problem in this country. And people need to be way more vigilant in reporting crazy things people say or do. It takes a village, right? Well this kid left hints. Unless I've missed something, most of his hints were ignored.

THis is a broken country. I'd rather live here, than somewhere else, but it's a mess. Everything is partisan and people have lost their way. The politicians just make it worse. We have no one to trust. No one to count on. EVeryone is corrupt or don't have the best interest of the people when they make decisions.

What is your solution exactly?

Reports today that the police waited in the hallway for a tactical team and keys to enter the classroom because it was locked.

Talk about completely useless.

Timeline of events. Saying the police blew this is being too kind. The blood is on all of their hands.


11:27 a.m.: Video shows that an exterior door to Ross Elementary School that gunman Salvador Ramos entered was propped open by a teacher.

11:28 a.m: Ramos crashes a vehicle near the school into a ditch, gets out and begins firing upon two people who came outside to see the crash near a funeral home. Civilians are not struck by gunfire. The teacher runs to a room to get a phone, returns to the door, and the door remains open.

11:30 a.m.: The first 911 call is made to Uvalde police reporting a car crash and a man with a gun outside the school.

11:30 a.m.: The US Marshals Service says it received a call from a Uvalde police officer requesting assistance.

11:31 a.m.: The shooting suspect reaches the last row of cars in the school parking lot and shooting begins outside of the school. Patrol vehicles reach the funeral home, and a patrol car drives by shooter, who is hunkered down by another vehicle.

11:32 a.m.: The suspect fires at the school.

11:33 a.m.: The suspect enters the school and begins shooting into a classroom. He shot more than 100 rounds.

11:35 a.m.: A total of seven officers are on the scene, and three officers enter the school, later followed by an additional team of three more officers and a sheriff. Two of the initial officers received grazing wounds from the suspect while the classroom door was closed.

11:37 a.m.: Sixteen rounds were fired from 11:37 a.m. to 11:44 a.m.

11:43 a.m.: Robb Elementary announces on Facebook that "Robb Elementary is under a Lockdown Status due to gunshots in the area."

11:51 a.m.: More officers arrive.

12:03 p.m.: As many as 19 officers are in the school's hallway.

12:03 p.m.: A girl in room 112 of the school makes a 911 call.

12:10 p.m.: A 911 call is received from the same girl in room 112, reporting multiple people are dead.

12:13 p.m.: The girl makes another 911 call.

12:15 p.m.: Border Patrol's tactical unit BorTac team arrives on scene.

12:16 p.m.: The same girl makes another 911 call, reporting there were “eight to nine students alive."

12:17 p.m.: Robb Elementary announces on Facebook: "There is an active shooter at Robb Elementary. Law enforcement is on site. Your cooperation is needed at this time by not visiting the campus. As soon as more information is gathered it will be shared. The rest of the district is under a Secure Status."

12:19 p.m.: A different 911 call is received from a caller in room 111, but the caller hung up after another student told them to.

12:21 p.m.: Suspect fires again.

12:21 p.m.: Another 911 call is received, and three shots fired are heard.

12:21 p.m.: Officers move down the hallway.

12:36 p.m.: There is a 911 call that last 21 seconds, with a student saying, "he shot the door."

12:43 and 12:47 p.m.: 911 caller says "please send police now."

12:46 p.m.: 911 caller can hear police next door.

12:50 p.m.: Shots are heard being fired over the 911 call.

12:50 p.m.: Law enforcement breach door using keys from janitor and kill suspect.

12:51 p.m.: On 911 call, it sounds like officers are moving children out of the room.

"Defunding now 2 years old"

Don't be intellectually dishonest with us. Two years ago this was talked about. Budgets for 2020 where already done and since it was mid year budgets for 2021 were already being worked on. That is how things work Tom. If you disagree please provide evidence of towns who implemented this in June 2020 and we are two years into implementation.

Didn't cops get in to get their own kids out?

https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-...alde-shooting/

Good news is Boxcar, Asaro and Just Ralph are on the case.

https://youtu.be/RZqKPgp6zBk

Pretty much says it all.

hopefully this "deal" will move forward...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...18215301a11739

Probably doesn't go far enough, but it's a start and good to know that there are some willing to compromise and take some political risk, but I guess we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. Still remains to be seen, if something will actually come of it.

I know you suggested Hungary Freddy, put you’ll still be pleased, I’m sure, that my brother and I (and our spouses) have initiated the process of gaining Austrian/EU citizenship as direct descendants of a persecuted Austrian, my late father. Gained eligibility in 2019.

I urge anyone that suspects or realizes the threat to themselves and their families future here to explore an egress strategy and be prepared to act on it. As a first generation American and History major who learned the lessons of my father’s escape from the Nazis in August 1939, I cannot stress enough the peril the usual targets of authoritarianism and supremacists are now under.

Mostly I think the “I’m leaving the country” crowd (Billy Armstrong the latest sad example) are attention whore crybabies. All the Texas secessionists included.

But I get it. I’m not sure they’ll be free elections in 2024 once the Proud Boy/Oath Keeper crowd get control of “counting” the votes in some states this fall.

You have a Supreme Court willing to impose a minority Christian fundamentalist interpretation of personhood on the nation. And wants to ignore separation of church from state.

I don’t want to live through history again either. I’m pretty sure you’re wise to have an exit strategy.

My plan is to trust that you wipe this site of any record that I ever posted here beforehand.

"I'd take this to virtually always."

That's quite a sentence.

As expected, the Christofascists will reveal themselves readily.

Here’s the story of the Aunt I never got to meet, my father’s sister Marta who instead of coming to the US with him and my grandmother, tried to make it Palestine: https://theworldlink.com/letters-tra...253a4a731.html

Her exhibit at Yad Vashem (text in German): https://www.yadvashem.org/yv/de/exhi.../marta-byk.asp

Someone is angry

Yeah your post to Steve really seemed like someone "humored."

Please keep embarrassing yourself. It keeps me humored.

Sneering at people who are justifiably alarmed at the rapid devolving of this country’s stability, its stature as a democracy and how things plausibly play out provides ample insight into how to read your reality.

My grandmother started applying for exit visas from Austria in 1935, fully 3 years before kristallnacht. It took until August ‘39 to gain American entry. Had my father’s Uncle Ike in Brooklyn not gained passes for her and my father, they would have been part of the large number of European Jews to emigrate to Shanghai.

My alert is for all of us that are the predictable targets of the agents of sickness that have been fostered and provided a platform to destroy everything we ever thought this country was. I have long term business interests in Canada and a ready green light to receive an EU passport and can leave readily. Other people will need to plan like my grandmother did. People who believe in democracy will fight this vile scenario, but need to be prepared to protect themselves and their families.

So leave. If you don’t like it here, leave.

People have tried many times to have a discussion with you. Your problem is you’re not very bright. So when someone asks you to clarify your dumb sh.it or provides you with facts, you don’t know what to do.

So you play the twist and deflect game.

You’re a dummy. Be mad at yourself for that. It’s not our fault.