Originally Posted by CSC

I don't see why breeders would rush out to breed to him considering Curlin will enter stud duty next year. Curlin to me has a much more attractive pedigree who has proven a heck of alot more in my eyes. Aren't these guys rushing the gun ya think?

Originally Posted by Linny

Maybe they think he wont ever be worth more that he is right now.

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

That's my point. If that's what they're thinking, what does it say about their perspective on his chances in the Preakness and/or Belmont?

Originally Posted by freddymo

Have a heart... Nobody has respect for success more then I but I have no use for cheats.. I have my share of vices cheating isn't one I ever thought was acceptable.

He is a very nice horse that could serve our sport well.. I just wish the silks were Claiborne and he was going home to be managed in a reasonable and responsible way after his limited 4 year old career.

Clearly terms like in the sports best interest and a well managed prudent stud career arent important to the chop house that is IEAH.. I assume whomever has the most dough on the table can get the horse to do whatever they need to do to recoup the investment. Horse people used to respect the industry that they made there money from. Nowadays its only important to earn once you have struck oil.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Nothing i think because the top of the market is the top of the market. If he is already there he can only go down and why risk that?

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Do you think he's at the "top of the market" now? Stated another way, is he worth as much now as he would be if he won the Triple Crown? If the answer to the last question is "yes," then I agree that doing the deal now makes sense.

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's not as tho curlin can cover every mare out there. big brown will get his share...
also depends on what you're looking for out of a horse, and what you've got as far as mare, as to who you'd use for a stud.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I'm the first to say I don't know much about the breeding business, but it seems like a lot of it depends on irrational exuberance for the hot new thing- if they run Big Brown at 4, and he doesn't do well, they won't be able to charge as high a stud fee as if they retire him this year, while he's still the most recent KDerby winner. Add to that, most stallions fail at stud, so it's important they make as much money as they can as soon as they can, so if he's a stud dud they'll still have made their $$.

Like someone said, it's a breeding business, with a few races tossed in on the side.

Originally Posted by CSC

True, however I'd rather have the Mr. Prospector/Smart Strike(Sib to Dance Smartly) bloodline, to me it's a hot pedigree that has alot of depth to it. To me it's a no brainer if I had a band of broodmares who I would like to cover.

Originally Posted by Danzig

oh, i'd go to just about any 100k stud over big brown. boundary doesn't warrant that kind of attention.
interesting the deal fell thru that was expected to be announced today. i think ieah is asking more than the horse is really worth at this point. i mean, giacomo won the derby, it didn't turn him into a 100k horse. as said, big brown is a boundary-big deal.

Originally Posted by Danzig

oh, i'd go to just about any 100k stud over big brown. boundary doesn't warrant that kind of attention.
interesting the deal fell thru that was expected to be announced today. i think ieah is asking more than the horse is really worth at this point. i mean, giacomo won the derby, it didn't turn him into a 100k horse. as said, big brown is a boundary-big deal.