Crafty CT is your value in NY. That horse was very very good.

Curious, what stallions do you think are a bargain?

Cannon you and I agree on a lot. Last night I was reading the ad in the Thorougbred Times and set in my mind what I thought they should be standing for.
I had Marquetry ok at 7500.
I had Max at 3500.
I had Value at 10,000
I had Leroi at 10 grand
I had Medag at 30 grand
I had Doneraile at 7500

They are all priced a little high.

Leroi at 10K? He is from one of the best active turf families in recent years and was as game as they come. He may be a bit high now, but I'd say $20-$25K.

I think Birdstone is crazy good value at 10 grand.
You are talking about a horse with all the things you look for in a sire.
He won early and fast in his debut at age two.
He won fast at a mile in a grade one at two.
He won at a mile and a half in a classic at age three
He won at a mile and a quarter in a grade one at age three.

I know the knocks on Grindstone, but he occasionally sires fast horses. And his mare also produced an Oaks winner in Bird Town which shows me that he wasn't just a fluke production by the mare.
Don't be surprised if he sires some damn good runners and soars in price before hes all done.

The key is turf, which is very unattractive to US breeders.

Three words...

Say.. Florida.. Sandy.. !!

Seriously though, now he's off to Korea, but one I loved in NY who was WAY underappreciated and underutilized was Judge TC...

I've heard mixed things about his conformation, but have never seen him myself. Is he crooked up front?

A few very small breeders I know where delighted that they could get a horse like Birdstone for that price.

Birdstone is pretty small and small doesn't sell well.

I actually like Value Plus if you were breeding commercially

There are plenty of good, solid stallions that are just not going to attract much commercial attention like Judge TC.

Randall,
I just looked for Crafty CT at he stallion register at nybreds. I can't find him.
What farm has him?
btw, I think Best of Luck at Highcliff has been throwing some good ones lately. So has Kelly Kip.

wasn't he sent to Contemporary farms?

I wish Sam the best of luck. But at $40k, I am not sure he is gonna be the best bargain out there. His book will fill, but may not early and may not for the full advertised price. He is by Giant's Causeway, but that may not be the best thing since he is an unproven sire of sires. For my money, I'd go to a son of Storm Cat before a son of a son of Storm Cat.

Depending on the match I think Dixie Union may be the best value at $40k in Kentucky.

Pais,
I'll look there. He's not in the stallion register (updated weekly).
thanks.

he might not be there anymore but I think that is where he was retired to.

thx cajun...guess he moved

Guess so... I'm glad I looked him up though. He's got a God's thumbprint! Do you know how rare that is? My appendix QH had one... they're good luck. :cool:

Thanks Cajun,
I didn't think he was in NY anymore.
For a Crafy Prospector, have a look at Gold Miner's Gold. He's at Metropolitan.
He's also the sire of my 3yo...Makeitright.