I know - just as Xtra Heat was in front of the suicide mission Harmony Lodge in the Test.

The classic is out, I can't see them throwing her in at 1 1/4 again, the pace scenario will be alot more challenging at CD.

I just heard all the Z haters breathe a collective sigh of relief. Now we will never get to see the beatdown....ah...I mean the matchup in the classic.

The splits were not quick and she lost to a horse with an 85 Beyer top. Let's say it's not stamina that limits her, she's still going to lose top races at 10 furlongs because she's unable to lay off the lead far enough where she won't be gassed by the last 1/8 if they go quick early.

Z's connections are pitiful. She wins this race by, hmmm 15 if she comes.

What are you delusional? When was the CLASSIC ever IN? Wasn't it clear she was done when Little Z bounced her? It was the SPIN by the BEYERITES, who desperately needed her to return to some semblance of last year's form, especially after their other darling, QR, got beat, that kept that CLASSIC talk for her going. She NEVER had a shot in the Classic.

WTF does that have anything to do here? The Test is a 7f sprint, not a 1 1/4.

Yeah, I had the right idea but I went against my own wisdom of betting Wolfson horses away from Florida. Atleast I put my money inline with my opinions, I thought they were overbet and overrated and I should have bet the all button to win other than the 2 favs, that was my mistake. What can I say, I didn't think the Phipps horse could jump up that much, but I did give her a 2nd look and I still couldn't make a case for her.

This is Derbytrial isn't it? She will be heading for the classic until Jess invents a palatable excuse not to.

She has none of the accelleration she used to have. It wasn't the 10f that got her beat. It's that she's taken a couple of steps back. If this race had been 9f, she might have won it but it wouldn't have been anything like what we saw from her last year. Running like this, she wouldn't win the Distaff. She's a shadow of her former self. They went 1:12.02 and 1:37.54 That's hardly suicidal. Even going that slow, she had nothing left. The final was 2:04.49 so it took her over 27 seconds for her final quarter. They actually made Afleet Express look like he was flying.

She wins by a measured head not 15, you should know this by now, she runs down to her competition. She's too nice, she doesn't want to embaress either filly by being lumped in with St. Trinians...oh wrong horse she is actually just above average, anyway you get the idea.

F the connections of both horses, to me the connections are a wash.

The Beyer just came back, looks like 111. See SHE never can run slow.

Hey we found a winner who can run a slower race than Richards Kid, who knew.

The pace - at the six furlong call - was 27 full points faster than the final time.

So - let's get very conservative and say Persistantly just ran to her 85 Beyer last time out (which came with a 3wide first turn and 5 wide 2nd turn trip - in a race with a lot less pace to set her up)

That would make the pace figure for six furlongs a 112... and you don't get any more conservative than that... the number is probably a lot higher.

When you run a 112 pace figure - with intense head-to-head pressure from the start - you're going to stop at some point.

Assuming you want to go with a 112-85 for this race. That means Life At Ten ran a pace figure of 111 and a final figure of in the mid 70's.

This pace figure is most likely about a 120-to-123 and Persistantly's winning Beyer is about a 92-to-95.

And that 92 is the stuff champions are made of.

It's called trip handicapping. The people here who gave Admiral Alex a shot to finish in the top half of the field in the Travers ought to look into it.

Persistantly did not run the same pace figure RA and Life At Ten did - she was back in another county.

The fact that she crawled home doesn't mean it was a fast pace relative to the speed of the track. And your pace figure dissertation doesn't explain why she's likely to ever get 10 furlongs in a top class race.

Little confused why Borel felt the need to send no matter what. So he guns against an inferior speed horse, if that horse goes he has no choice once committing, if he sits back and feels they are going too slow then he can send. Not sure that was a good tactic.

Still you craaaaaaaaaaaaaawl home like that you should win against the likes of persistently.

I just crushed the 11th, Im going to dinner. I dont even care. Rachel is really good and has distance trouble. Even the ICE COLD WIZZARD called it out. Just because you or Andy or anyone says no, does not mean its not true. Does class not matter anymore? She cant hold off that horse? I dont care if she went 46-109 with the clear lead in stretch she is supposed to win, AND SHE COULD NOT.

Perhaps those were his instructions.

It's never the jockey on the inside's fault in a speed duel - it's always the jockey on the outside's fault.

This is like common sense 101.

Life At Ten went on a suicide mission - she was OPEN LENGTHS better than Persistantly today ... but she gets 3rd money for it ... and was off the tv screen at the finish.

So what your saying is that if a speed horse like LIT is in the race, outside of RA she never could take back, I find that a bit hard to believe.

She still should have won but just don't think it was a very good ride.

Here I am making excuses for the horse.....of all people.

So Doug do you think the classic this year will have a slower pace? What do you make of RA's chances in that race?

why do you say that? rachel had a hell of a campaign last year, hoy worthy. any horse would have been hard pressed to repeat such a year. whatever she does this year has nothing to do with last year. if the saints don't repeat, do they lose last years super bowl? i haven't understood this reasoning from anyone at all this year. rachel did what she did, an unreal 3 yo campaign for a filly-it doesn't require backing up. i thought you considered yourself a pro at this game? you sound like a rank amateur when you start this line.

it's a shame, i think they have completely messed up with rachel this year.

i doubt she goes.

The only real shame is Z's connections. Rachels know she is not the same and they have really just run her accordingly. Look at the horse who tested her at Monmouth last time, look what she did today. Some people came on here saying she was actually good and moved up on dirt, yes she proved it today. The shame is this... Z would have not only won, but cruised in every race Rachel has been in this year. Dont get me wrong Rachel is HOY last year and like the article on DRF says nothing changes that, but she is not the same filly and not nearly as good as Z.

why, nothing to lose now, handicap older mare is over.

Mike Smith

Was Siphon open lengths better than Dare And Go in the Pacific Classic? Or did Bailey phuck up by keeping tabs on Siphon, or was it really that dip$hit Nakatani on Dramatic Gold for messing with Cigar? To me that's what makes horseracing, no need for explanations or excuses, good horses should be able to overcome crap at times.

Drugs..you are trying to talk common sense with a freaking clown. For years, especially this past year, I come on to read mainly. I've read RHT's post and his dream bets. He's the most annoying poster I've ever seen on here, and that's saying a lot. I've been on this thing since 2006 and have never seen anyone post a 100WPS bet on a maiden claiming turf race. So, the bottom line don't waste your time trying to talk sense into him.

because, if she can't win at 10f today, i don't think she can in nov. i'd like to see her run, i've got tickets...i just think she'd be better suited at 1 1/8. too bad the classic wasn't on dirt last year.

He does have quite the bankroll doesn't he?

In general,

I liked both RA and Life at Ten's races today. I'm a huge fan of both performances...especially Life At Ten's big race today.

Persistantly is the kind of horse you live to bet against.

The problems is - RA and LIT have the nice back forms and Persistantly doesn't... so the race won't offer the kind of big betting value down the line that it should.

As for the Classic - I think RA's chances were helped significantly today .. however, I doubt she goes in the race now.

The reason why her chances were bettered so much today is because 1.) Her performance was no worse than any of her previous races this year and 2.) it's now a 100% lock that no one would challenge her on the lead in the BC Classic off of this race. They will view her as a horse who can't see out 10 furlongs - but if they press her - they know they will pay a gigantic price for it. So ... she basically won the right to a cozy uncontested lead in the race today.

And the Phipps and their homebred.:tro:

Rachel showed alot in defeat. This race reminds me when Seattle Slew lost to Exceller, after Slew fought Affirmed and put him away only to have Exceller pick up the pieces to get Slew in the end.

Most people already used that in her first race back..........

the rest that hadn't certainly used that line after the CD race.

I know this is going to come as a shock to everyone....but this is a total lie.

Hard to believe the guy that built an OTB in his backyard is lying, but he is.

Guess I'll have to watch the race.

Whoopity-doo another highly overrated horse lost.

If only the other one would lose so the madness would stop.

Not from my experience, the guy seemed like an arrogant SOB when we exchanged PM's with no tolerance for free speech whatsoever. Give him my regards DH, and tell him I'm smiling.