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Betsy 04-09-2011 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 767612)
Arthur's Tale has got $200,000 now in graded earnings, and we've had some fall out of the Derby recently so it might be enough. Randy said the cut off was $180,000 currently. Another Bernardini.

Haskin's done well today with horses he's liked in the past finding the winner's circle. Toby's Corner and Joe Vann. My Illinois Derby feed kept buffering so I'll have to catch the replay to see how Joe Vann looked.


That's right, I forgot that he might not get in. I hope he does - not sure he's good enough, but don't see why he can't pick up the pieces. Yes, I'm not unhappy he's a Bernardini.........I was so happy for a few seconds, lol.

pba1817 04-09-2011 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 767607)
What he did today doesn't negate his brilliant performance in the Juvy.

That said, I still feel that when the Kentucky Derby favorite doesn't debut until a fabricated stake on March 12, something's amiss.

Where was this brilliant insight before the race went off...?

ateamstupid 04-09-2011 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 767627)
Where was this brilliant insight before the race went off...?

The hypocrisy of this comment is suffocating.

pba1817 04-09-2011 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 767628)
The hypocrisy of this comment is suffocating.

The truth is hard to swallow...

randallscott35 04-09-2011 05:23 PM

Pletcher's best chance is Joe Vann

ateamstupid 04-09-2011 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 767629)
The truth is hard to swallow...

Your next insightful comment on this board will be your first, so I'd pipe down if I were you.

johnny pinwheel 04-09-2011 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shanej974 (Post 767590)
Uncle Slo Mo was still better then Blame and Zenyatta on Breeders Cup Day....right....I mean he would have beaten those two that day....right....:zz:

i know....wheres that goofy numbers guy.....lol....lol....zenyata and blame my ass....horse can't get 10 furlongs in his dreams....what a joke.

MaTH716 04-09-2011 05:42 PM

He really has no excuses. I'm sure the Repole camp will cook something up.

But I have to admit that I was a bit suprised when JV went right to the lead. I know the fractions weren't that quick, but I just figured that he would try to get that garden stalking spot (plus get him accustomed to some tight quarters/dirt in the face). Then at the top of the stretch you figured he would just kick it in and pull away and there was still nothing. On top of that JV did that patented ridiculous look behind him move and you figured he still had some horse, but he was absolutely empty.

I'm not sure what to think. It was the only race of the day that I did see, so I have no idea about any biases and if maybe the rail was dead (not sure if they got rain in Queens last night, but I know it poured in Jersey all day). Still all that does is cook up an excuse for a horse who was only supposed to lose if the Jock fell off his back. I guess he just falls back into the category of being a good 3 year old in what looks like a very medicore 3 year old crop.

Merlinsky 04-09-2011 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 767621)
That's right, I forgot that he might not get in. I hope he does - not sure he's good enough, but don't see why he can't pick up the pieces. Yes, I'm not unhappy he's a Bernardini.........I was so happy for a few seconds, lol.

Yeah, I heard something about Darley and my antenna went up so I checked. I knew Toby's Corner was a Bellamy Road. Gotta admit, that win was kinda poetic.

johnny pinwheel 04-09-2011 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 767627)
Where was this brilliant insight before the race went off...?

yeah right, half the world was saying it....including me...i even said i could not wait to bet against this horse.....

ateamstupid 04-09-2011 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 767638)
HBut I have to admit that I was a bit suprised when JV went right to the lead. I know the fractions weren't that quick, but I just figured that he would try to get that garden stalking spot (plus get him accustomed to some tight quarters/dirt in the face). Then at the top of the stretch you figured he would just kick it in and pull away and there was still nothing. On top of that JV did that patented ridiculous look behind him move and you figured he still had some horse, but he was absolutely empty.

I don't think he tried for the lead, but nobody else went, so what is he going to do? Rein the horse in and risk traffic trouble while letting some horse with less speed than him go by? He knew the other riders were going to try to beat him at all costs, so I think he was hesitant to get covered up if he didn't have to. Plus, like you said, the fractions weren't very quick. On the lead or off of it, he was going to lose today.

Watching the replay, I think his stride looked a little weird going around the turn, like he was reaching out and trying hard to keep up even though Velazquez hadn't asked him yet.

pba1817 04-09-2011 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 767631)
Your next insightful comment on this board will be your first, so I'd pipe down if I were you.

Why should I pipe down...?

ateamstupid 04-09-2011 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 767645)
Why should I pipe down...?

Because you serve no purpose here except to stir things up. I've never seen you post a play or analyze a race, so tweaking me for saying something in retrospect about Mo's campaign is laughable. You're an enormous douchebag who's looking for some new people to piss off now that Zenyatta's retired along with your pom poms.

pointman 04-09-2011 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 767638)
He really has no excuses. I'm sure the Repole camp will cook something up.

But I have to admit that I was a bit suprised when JV went right to the lead. I know the fractions weren't that quick, but I just figured that he would try to get that garden stalking spot (plus get him accustomed to some tight quarters/dirt in the face). Then at the top of the stretch you figured he would just kick it in and pull away and there was still nothing. On top of that JV did that patented ridiculous look behind him move and you figured he still had some horse, but he was absolutely empty.

I'm not sure what to think. It was the only race of the day that I did see, so I have no idea about any biases and if maybe the rail was dead (not sure if they got rain in Queens last night, but I know it poured in Jersey all day). Still all that does is cook up an excuse for a horse who was only supposed to lose if the Jock fell off his back. I guess he just falls back into the category of being a good 3 year old in what looks like a very medicore 3 year old crop.

I am with you on this Matt. I was really surprised to see him go to the lead, granted, no else wanted it, but still I don't think that was the plan. On the first turn when he got the lead I had a feeling he might be in trouble. I don't think there was a bias today, but it is hard to see how he benefitted by going to the lead. It will be interesting to see at this point whether he comes up lame, retired, or continues on the trail. The big question is the possible distance limitations, but not sure that was the issue today from that run. Pretty puzzling effort overall.

pointman 04-09-2011 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 767648)
Because you serve no purpose here except to stir things up. I've never seen you post a play or analyze a race, so tweaking me for saying something in retrospect about Mo's campaign is laughable. You're an enormous douchebag who's looking for some new people to piss off now that Zenyatta's retired along with your pom poms.

It is funny how many doucebags have come out of the woodworks this week, Joey. It will probably get worse as we get closer to the Derby.

Indian Charlie 04-09-2011 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 767587)
Someone might need to talk Indian Charlie off a bridge tonight.

Not at all.

I thought it was obvious he was going to lose after about 1/8th of a mile.

I'm hoping he wasn't hurt, but I expect that is what they will say.

randallscott35 04-09-2011 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 767661)
Not at all.

I thought it was obvious he was going to lose after about 1/8th of a mile.

I'm hoping he wasn't hurt, but I expect that is what they will say.

Obvious how?

Indian Charlie 04-09-2011 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 767642)
I don't think he tried for the lead, but nobody else went, so what is he going to do? Rein the horse in and risk traffic trouble while letting some horse with less speed than him go by? He knew the other riders were going to try to beat him at all costs, so I think he was hesitant to get covered up if he didn't have to. Plus, like you said, the fractions weren't very quick. On the lead or off of it, he was going to lose today.

Watching the replay, I think his stride looked a little weird going around the turn, like he was reaching out and trying hard to keep up even though Velazquez hadn't asked him yet.

Agreed. If anything, I think you are understating things.

pba1817 04-09-2011 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 767648)
Because you serve no purpose here except to stir things up. I've never seen you post a play or analyze a race, so tweaking me for saying something in retrospect about Mo's campaign is laughable. You're an enormous douchebag who's looking for some new people to piss off now that Zenyatta's retired along with your pom poms.

WTF are you talking about dude...?

Indian Charlie 04-09-2011 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 767663)
Obvious how?

He did not look settled, or comfortable with the track. Whether he was hurt, I cannot tell, but he was not his usual relaxed and smooth running self. I thought he ran, for lack of a better term, choppy.

If I had to venture a guess, I'd say he either didn't like AQU, or he is pretty sore.

paulo537 04-09-2011 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 767663)
Obvious how?

Good question.

GPK 04-09-2011 06:32 PM

Obviously, he crossfired.

ateamstupid 04-09-2011 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 767670)
WTF are you talking about dude...?

:rolleyes:

tiggerv 04-09-2011 06:37 PM

He supposedly grabbed a quarter.

mbahadur 04-09-2011 06:39 PM

From espn.com: http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...aul&id=6317906

Trainer Todd Pletcher said afterwards that Uncle Mo grabbed his left-front quarter, shearing off a piece of the hoof wall the size of a quarter while leaving the gate sharply in what appeared to be a clean break, but would not use the mishap as an excuse. Uncle Mo's immediate future, however, is uncertain.

"He grabbed a quarter leaving the gate," Pletcher said. "It didn't help but I'm not using that as an excuse. After that, he was kind of hounded early on. The fractions were reasonable. It was his first time going a mile and an eighth, first time over the Aqueduct surface. I was a little concerned turning for home at the three-sixteenths pole when he didn't really kick clear. I thought then that we were going to be in for a fight. You could see the last fifty to sixty yards he was tired.

"It goes without saying that if he wins by 10 today he goes [to Kentucky] with quite a bit different morning line than he is now. It doesn't mean we're not going to go, it doesn't mean we are going to go. We'll see how he comes out of it and make sure he's physically okay, that's a priority. It's totally up to Uncle Mo. My confidence hasn't changed in the horse. He's got a good win at Churchill and maybe this is what he needed to step forward four weeks from now."

Indian Charlie 04-09-2011 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv (Post 767682)
He supposedly grabbed a quarter.

Yeah, just read that. From BH:

“He grabbed a quarter (left front) leaving the gate," Pletcher said after the race. "It didn’t help, but I’m not using that as an excuse. After that, he was kind of hounded early on. The fractions were reasonable. It was his first time going a mile and an eighth, first time over the Aqueduct surface. I was a little concerned turning for home at the three-sixteenths pole when he didn’t really kick clear. I thought then that we were going to be in for a fight. You could see the last fifty to sixty yards he was tired."

This would support what I saw, but who knows.

I did also find it puzzling that Pletcher scratched the 2 Repole horses in the Carter.

It made me wonder if there was something going on with the vet, or something along those lines.

Indian Charlie 04-09-2011 06:41 PM

Ya beat me to it.

Anyways, as I have said several times already. He was not comfortable running today.

Danzig 04-09-2011 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 767607)
What he did today doesn't negate his brilliant performance in the Juvy.

That said, I still feel that when the Kentucky Derby favorite doesn't debut until a fabricated stake on March 12, something's amiss.



:tro::tro:

Sightseek 04-09-2011 10:33 PM

Woo-hoo!

Indian Charlie 04-10-2011 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 767790)
Woo-hoo!

You go to Hell!

You go to Hell and you die!

Just kidding.

I don't believe in hell.

First person to get the source of that quote without cheating gets first dibs on one of Dougie's socks.

slotdirt 04-10-2011 05:26 AM

I know the answer to IC's question, but really don't want the prize. So, well, pass?

Sightseek 04-10-2011 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 767816)
I know the answer to IC's question, but really don't want the prize. So, well, pass?

I just want to know why IC has one to give away?! :eek:

Indian Charlie 04-10-2011 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 767846)
I just want to know why IC has one to give away?! :eek:

I, at one time, sent him a video tape, a long time ago, with some old races from the 80s and 90s. About a year later, I get a video tape back from him of some old races he had, interlaced with Randy Moss highlights, and highlights of his favorite porn star, Lexus.

He also threw in a sock.

Danzig 04-10-2011 01:44 PM

it's mr garrison on south park. my favorite quote of his is there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.

Indian Charlie 04-10-2011 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 767912)
it's mr garrison on south park. my favorite quote of his is there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.

Right!

One sock, comin right up!

outofthebox 04-11-2011 10:32 AM

I think it's quite obvious that the winner of the "meet & greet" slipped Mo a mickey. I doubt the meet & greets will continue. I need to get on Mo's facebook page and see what he has to say about the race....

clyde 04-13-2011 02:06 PM

You are best back inside the box...and stay there.

pba1817 05-14-2011 12:40 AM

I love going back over these threads and reading just how erroneous and retarded the "experts" here make themselves look...

Dahoss 05-14-2011 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 776360)
I love going back over these threads and reading just how erroneous and retarded the "experts" here make themselves look...

I remember my first beer.


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