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declansharbor 05-02-2009 09:49 PM
I've repeatedly admitted here that I still have an ABUNDANCE to learn about the game. I'm confident in my ability to cap the races, it's my betting structure that could use tweaking (and my mancrush's). I'll be the first to admit all of this. I only posted that FACT to counter your 'nothing to show for your time' retort. (and I post some of my plays beforehand btw);)

and I'm appalled that you would lump me into the WARRAN T's of the world:rolleyes: . But since it was you that posted it, I will just have to 'consider the source' as they say.

p.s. Stop the pill popping.

Danzig 05-02-2009 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315
How so, exactly? By Dunkirk falling on his face at the start?
i think you're overstating his start. it wasn't that bad of a stumble. i've seen worse, with better finishes after.

Scurlogue Champ 05-02-2009 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by declansharbor
I'm confident in my ability to cap the races
That makes one of us.

packerbacker7964 05-02-2009 09:58 PM
Haven't had one in quite a long time. Everybody has a vice. Yeah I had a problem and I faced it. So what? Oh you hurt my feelers talking about my RX problem. You people kill me when you rally around one another. Lot's of people on here talk $hit about horses that don't belong. Well you know what the little guy won Today. Not Baffert, Lukas, Todd, or even Richard. It's the little guys who don't belong that make this Sport Great. Sport that's a word alot of people on here need to hear more often.

hockey2315 05-02-2009 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
i think you're overstating his start. it wasn't that bad of a stumble. i've seen worse, with better finishes after.
That's possible, I suppose, but I don't think his trip after that was particularly easy either. Anyways. . . the poster I was responding to made an incredibly asinine comment about Pletcher's supposed drug use, citing his lack of success in the Derby (despite two second place finishes) - not to mention a Belmont Stakes win and countless other major G1 victories. He's the type of idiot that helps limit the general public's exposure to racing to breakdowns and "steroids."

Danzig 05-02-2009 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315
That's possible, I suppose, but I don't think his trip after that was particularly easy either. Anyways. . . the poster I was responding to made an incredibly asinine comment about Pletcher's supposed drug use, citing his lack of success in the Derby (despite two second place finishes) - not to mention a Belmont Stakes win and countless other major G1 victories. He's the type of idiot that helps limit the general public's exposure to racing to breakdowns and "steroids."

yeah, i didn't get what he was inferring there.

declansharbor 05-02-2009 10:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGzWsfN3GTA

Gun Charges....Riiiiiiight??? 25 dime litigation.

Split Rock 05-03-2009 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315
How so, exactly? By Dunkirk falling on his face at the start?
Come on.... The guy is zero for 24 in the Derby. Most of his horses have finished far up the track. Can a reasonably logical person claim this to be mere coincidence? The guy is an eclipse award winning trainer that won many Derby preps over the years but can't get a horse to be competitive in the one race they seriously test for drugs?

Yea, I guess that is just a coincidence....

Split Rock 05-03-2009 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315
That's possible, I suppose, but I don't think his trip after that was particularly easy either. Anyways. . . the poster I was responding to made an incredibly asinine comment about Pletcher's supposed drug use, citing his lack of success in the Derby (despite two second place finishes) - not to mention a Belmont Stakes win and countless other major G1 victories. He's the type of idiot that helps limit the general public's exposure to racing to breakdowns and "steroids."
Asinine comment? The game is ravaged by drugs. Just saying it isn't doesn't make it so. There is hardly an equine performance I actually believe these days.

I believe I've invested enough of my money and time in this game to have (and state) my opinion.

Travis Stone 05-03-2009 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Split Rock
Come on.... The guy is zero for 24 in the Derby. Most of his horses have finished far up the track. Can a reasonably logical person claim this to be mere coincidence? The guy is an eclipse award winning trainer that won many Derby preps over the years but can't get a horse to be competitive in the one race they seriously test for drugs?

Yea, I guess that is just a coincidence....
I consider myself reasonably logical, and I think this post is unreasonably illogical.

They test more at the BC, and monitor stalls more at the BC, than any other horse racing event. Pletcher notched a few wins there didn't he?

I shouldn't even waste my time with this response. The Derby is a 20 horse race under ridiculously difficult circumstances. Because Pletcher hasn't won does not mean he laid-off the drugs. That's ridiculous.

Merlinsky 05-03-2009 07:23 AM
Oh well, I did tell folks I knew that if all we do is talk about how Mine That Bird has no chance he's going to win on Murphy's Law alone. I've never found being so stunned by a win that turns out to also be so hilarious. Calvin Borel's just a marvelously crazy cajun and that cheering after the race was so contagious. The longest margin of victory since Assault--serves us all right. :D Felony violation of Murphy's Law. Happy for Birdstone's people, great sign for his sire future I'm hoping, and since MTB is a gelding who knows, he might be around awhile.

Linny 05-03-2009 07:29 AM
I think TAP's lack of Derby success is based on two factors. First, many of his runners were really not "live contenders" but horses entered by owners with Derby Fever. Odd thing though is that his "Join in the Dance's" seem to outrun his "Dunkirks" every year.

Second, TAP has maintained his high percentage by picking his spots. There are enough big events that if horse A is not 100% in time for this Saturday, you wait and enter next Saturday. You simply cannot do that with the Derby and BC. (He's won some BC races but not at the clip that he wins other G1's.) In those races you must be ready on the day.

TheSpyder 05-03-2009 07:51 AM
A more riviting thread I have not read in quite some time.

As for drugs in the sport, well whether they are used by everyone or almost everyone, I don't think it makes near the difference all this hoopla is about.

As for Packer, sorry about you wife, but you threw the first punch and I really don't see what your point is. Not defending or siding, just stating my opinion.

As for me making a living betting on horses. Yes, it's true. And I enjoy poverty very much thank you.

As for Mind that Bird. What????? A side question....of the hundreds of DT'ers...anyone have him?

herkhorse 05-03-2009 08:29 AM
I watched the Derby with my 3 year old. As they were loading into the gate she said " I think these are cows daddy, because some horses look like cows."
Turns out she was right.:p

Danzig 05-03-2009 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
Oh well, I did tell folks I knew that if all we do is talk about how Mine That Bird has no chance he's going to win on Murphy's Law alone. I've never found being so stunned by a win that turns out to also be so hilarious. Calvin Borel's just a marvelously crazy cajun and that cheering after the race was so contagious. The longest margin of victory since Assault--serves us all right. :D Felony violation of Murphy's Law. Happy for Birdstone's people, great sign for his sire future I'm hoping, and since MTB is a gelding who knows, he might be around awhile.
??

dalakhani 05-03-2009 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Now playing the part of Affirmed.........Mine that Bird.
Not jabbing at Steve or taking sides but this post is pretty funny.

Well played!:tro: :tro:

:wf

2Hot4TV 05-03-2009 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by packerbacker7964
Shouldn't you be counting your money you won today. Being that your the Greatest Handicapper since Pointgiven1985? The day I respect you and you opinion is the day I need put down.
I think that was the one from the heart.

Coach Pants 05-03-2009 09:47 AM
This thread is comedy gold now.

MISTERGEE 05-03-2009 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Kasept
Merlinsky,

I'm surprised by this largely unfair and under-researched comment. His Remsen placing? I think you'll find half his earnings come from the deceptively good and quite courageous 4th he ran in the Wood while his stablemate was running 2nd. Comparing Atomic Rain's Derby intentions to Mine That Bird's is a gross insult to Breen and The Halls. While Atomic Rain doesn't necessarily need to go in the Derby and probably won't get in, he's Alydar compared to Mine That Bird.

And Hold Me Back's Remsen form is not in question... As DrugS has laid out a number of times in his prep analysis, the glacial pace in the Remsen was 100% responsible for him having zero chance to produce any rally.
this is the nicest thing anyone has said about mine that bird, pre-derby

Pedigree Ann 05-03-2009 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by packerbacker7964
Crow Here, Get your Crow while it's hot. I've got Lemon Pepper Crow, Salt and Pepper Crow, Roasted Crow, BBQ Crow.
:D


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