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Antitrust32 08-31-2009 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by freddymo
Apparently the homebred daughter of My Flag daughter of the great Personal Ensign and dam of Storm Flag Flying and winner of 1.5 mil including the BCC juvy fillies was sold privately. Phipps typically keeps the filly's and gives them a shot to produce. Consider that this filly is a AP Indy and that SFF hasn't produced anything to date is very interesting. Her worth as a broodmare is substantial.

the owner guy is new to the industry.. has a big barn of real good Arabians or Paso Fino's or whatnot .. Decided he wanted to get into the TB game and started at the top! (good for us)

10 pnt move up 08-31-2009 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Please note that my response was extremely tongue in cheek. Perhaps I'm not the one who needs to get a clue.
and you dont think mine was? wow

CSC 08-31-2009 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by tector
Well all that remains to be seen, but she and IP Beyered out the same (106). CJ can't win the 3yo filly award, but taking down one of the top two would not be impossible and I don't see how it would "ruin" her to try, if given the chance. Sometimes you just have to face a top horse and try your best. If the hypothetical Beldame where to come to pass, I'd see nothing wrong with her giving it shot--RA would be at the end of a long, ambitious campaign and Zenyatta has raced tomato cans on chewed up credit cards all year. And, as you say, CJ is moving forward. Hell, I might bet her myself at 8-1 or 10-1, which is where she'd be in Beldame that included those four.
I know Caroll has mentioned she will be BC bound or that is atleast the target, she can run on poly(Woodbine wins) but in my opinion she looks better on dirt. She has options in The Spinster I guess or the Belmont route, she's legit in my mind and she runs on with a high crusing speed, she can only get better with more racing.

King Glorious 08-31-2009 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Gander
You give up on horses way too easily King. Case in point Rail Trip who you touted when he was on his win streak then you bashed when he lost. You called him a POS. Then he won in brilliant fashion last time out.
He won nicely last out but that doesn't change the fact that he ran like a pos in those loses. I thought he ran like a pos and that's exactly what I said. Doesn't mean that he'll always be that. I don't understand this "give up on them easily" stuff. I don't have any loyalty to any of them. If I like them and they run like crap, I'll say that. If I don't like them and they run really good, I'll say that. I try to evaluate each horse on a race by race basis and not just say everything they do is good. Being honest about a performance doesn't mean you can't like a horse anymore.

hockey2315 08-31-2009 11:01 AM
114 Beyer for Icon Project.

CSC 08-31-2009 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315
114 Beyer for Icon Project.
A Wolfson special...:rolleyes:

hockey2315 08-31-2009 11:24 AM
I'm definitely dubious of Wolfson's amazing move-ups, etc. but this one might just be a good horse. It's not like she's cheap.

tector 08-31-2009 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315
114 Beyer for Icon Project.
My mistake--I was looking at an earlier Beyer for her (June 20).

NTamm1215 08-31-2009 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315
I'm definitely dubious of Wolfson's amazing move-ups, etc. but this one might just be a good horse. It's not like she's cheap.
I agree, if anything she underperformed on turf. I am skeptical of Magic Marty but she did yesterday what a good horse does. I think she's a very, very talented horse.

NT

RockHardTen1985 08-31-2009 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I agree, if anything she underperformed on turf. I am skeptical of Magic Marty but she did yesterday what a good horse does. I think she's a very, very talented horse.

NT

If I talk her up will she ever win again?

Indian Charlie 08-31-2009 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
If I talk her up will she ever win again?
If your heart is in it, yeah, she's most likely doomed.

Indian Charlie 08-31-2009 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
If I talk her up will she ever win again?
By the way, thanks for the vote in the most unbearable poster poll in esoteric!

Gander 08-31-2009 01:27 PM
Icon Project is the female version of Cigar. She will continue to do awesome things with the surface switch.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-31-2009 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315
114 Beyer for Icon Project.
Only 6 points off of Go For Wand, Mariah's Storm, and Xtra Heat for fastest figure ever from a female.

Indian Charlie 08-31-2009 03:35 PM
That is ridiculous.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-31-2009 03:36 PM
what is?

That I forgot about Xtra Heat?

Indian Charlie 08-31-2009 03:37 PM
Icon Project's 6 pts off the fastest female beyer ever.

That, and that you believe that.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-31-2009 03:44 PM
You disagree with the number yesterday?

It wasn't an easy day to make figures and their was a split ... but I think it had to be in the 112-to-115 range.

And there were no smoke and mirrors about the performance.

Indian Charlie 08-31-2009 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
You disagree with the number yesterday?

It wasn't an easy day to make figures and their was a split ... but I think it had to be in the 112-to-115 range.

And there were no smoke and mirrors about the performance.

Hard to imagine her, or that race, being in the same area code as the Lakeway 117, Sharp Cat 119 or Akinemod 119.

It's actually pretty stupid.

Come to think of it, Riboletta's pairs of 115, I just can't see that as being just barely better than Icon Project's 114.

You'd need an ice pick stabbed into your frontal lobes, hooked up to a power drill for some stirring, to really believe that.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-31-2009 04:11 PM
Going back to '92 ...

Fastest Beyer ever in a 10 furlong dirt race at Saratoga:

Male: Point Given 117

Female: Silverbulletday 115


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