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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

At no point did I say anything like that. People here love to put words in the mouth of others. If I put forth a scenario where Summer Bird captures horse of the year it isnt a knock on the filly. It is simply a scenario.

Freddy you need to get a grip. The strange set of circumstances that have taken place make the Woodward the ideal spot to run this horse. Is that a better word? There has never been a three year old dirt filly that was clearly the best horse in America at this point. The Woodward accomplishes everything that Jackson wants to do just as the Haskell made her the clear leader in the HoY race and established her as the best horse in the country regardless of sex or age. The Penn Derby isnt even a grade 1. The Woodward has prestige despite the obviously subpar field facing the filly. Not to mention avoids going an unknown distance of 1 1/4 and also avoids a further confrontation with horses she has already beaten. It is simply a logical spot.

As for your contention that I am saying that her campaign is a fraud,I have no idea where you get that. What I am saying is that it is easier to push the envelope when you are facing moderate competition that makes you an odds on choice everytime. I think that the race will be interesting with her in it. I also think that she will win and it will be her last race of the year. her campaign next year will be interesting to say the least. Of course if JJ had racings best interests in mind he would plot out his races beforehand and let the public know where she will run as opposed to all this secretive bs that he does now.

The Preakness was ideal, The Haskell and it's strange set of circumtances was ideal, and ole and behold the prestigous Woodward is now ideal. What a wonderful stroke of luck for Rachel and Jess. The noise doesn't mean sheit to me. All I care about is her performance. I hope he crushes in the Woodward. I hope the nay sayers then go after the lack of a quality field. I hope she heads to Belmont after the Woodward and races in the Beldame.. I am quite sure that she has HoY locked up with a Woodward win. There is nothing any horse can do to spot her from winning that if she wins the Woodward.

I don't think you have ever given the filly just due. I think you have let your disdain of the connections taint your objectivity. What could be in your posts is representations of just how special she is in relation to the 10's of thousands of horses you have been around.

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Which is exactly my point. So when people say how courageous it is of Jackson to run in the Woodward remember that.

Funny way of expressing your admiration for Rachel.

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Originally Posted by freddymo

The Preakness was a balsy move. Which is something I have posted here. The other races were logical.
I have not given the filly her due? Since when? When exactly have I knocked her. What about the times where i called her a truly great horse? How many times have I said that about a horse in the current era? I am seemingly one of the few who ARE being objective about the horse.

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Funny way of expressing your admiration for Rachel.

What does this say negative? That she would be odds on against any field on the dirt? How do you construe negativty about the horse from that? Did you forget your meds today?

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What does this say negative? That she would be odds on against any field on the dirt? How do you construe negativty about the horse from that? Did you forget your meds today?

A.. Stop with logical it is not becoming.
B. you are dealing with a once in a generation horse this isnt my beloved Smarty Jones this is a premier rocket

Hi may name is Cannon Shell/Iagree that Rachel is a superior horse..Not sure I have seen a filly asgood as her since PE.. This girl is a freak she refuses to lose..

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Hi may name is Cannon Shell/Iagree that Rachel is a superior horse..Not sure I have seen a filly asgood as her since PE.. This girl is a freak she refuses to lose..

If Zenyatta was in here and she beat this field would you the same admiration for her as you would RA? Or is that admiration strictly reserved for RA?

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Originally Posted by freddymo

A.. Stop with logical it is not becoming.
B. you are dealing with a once in a generation horse this isnt my beloved Smarty Jones this is a premier rocket

You continue to make my point for me. If you are in charge of a once in a generation horse why wouldnt the Haskell and Woodward be logical spots? You do understand the meaning of logical dont you? Or maybe i will put it to you in a different manner. What is illogical about her competing in those races?

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Hi may name is Cannon Shell/Iagree that Rachel is a superior horse..Not sure I have seen a filly asgood as her since PE.. This girl is a freak she refuses to lose..

Hi my name is Freddy, I am a logic hater. I hated philosophy. I hate that damn Spock. I used logic when defending Paragallo and look where THAT got me.

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Originally Posted by CSC

If Zenyatta was in here and she beat this field would you the same admiration for her as you would RA? Or is that admiration strictly reserved for RA?

I personally think RA is a superior horse to Zenyatta.

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I personally think RA is a superior horse to Zenyatta.

I do too, but my point was if Zenyatta won would she be criticized for beating a tier 2 group of males that RA will no doubt be lauded for beating.

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

CS, why do you argue with freddy? he knows sooo much more about racing than you do. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :wf

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Originally Posted by CSC

I do too, but my point was if Zenyatta won would she be criticized for beating a tier 2 group of males that RA will no doubt be lauded for beating.

tier 2 group? Who is the tier 1 group?

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Originally Posted by CSC

I do too, but my point was if Zenyatta won would she be criticized for beating a tier 2 group of males that RA will no doubt be lauded for beating.

Zenyatta beats nothing and she is hailed as the Queen - so yes, probably.

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Originally Posted by CSC

If Zenyatta was in here and she beat this field would you the same admiration for her as you would RA? Or is that admiration strictly reserved for RA?

i wish she was there. that way, instead of us all talking about it, we could see it all unfold. it would launch zenyatta into the same stratosphere that rachel is currently residing.

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Originally Posted by CSC

I do too, but my point was if Zenyatta won would she be criticized for beating a tier 2 group of males that RA will no doubt be lauded for beating.

Why would that happen?

If you're trying to say that the competition Zenyatta has faced is unfairly criticized then I couldn't possibly disagree more. The horses Zenyatta beat last time out are not good.

NT

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Originally Posted by CSC

I do too, but my point was if Zenyatta won would she be criticized for beating a tier 2 group of males that RA will no doubt be lauded for beating.

since many are saying it's not a good field of older horses, and the race is made for rachel due to her morning line, i don't see how she'll be lauded if she wins...except for the fact she'll have done something no filly ever has done, win the woodward.

things is, years from now the field won't be mentioned-no one remembers anyone but the winner. it's the main reason why i say you can't judge a horses standing until their done and gone to pasture for a while. the great ones are the ones you remember.

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Originally Posted by ddthetide

CS, why do you argue with freddy? he knows sooo much more about racing than you do. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :wf

Freddy is no dummy when it comes to racing (except concerning his love affair with Shug/Phipps) but he seems to think that running a horse in a spot where they are the overwhelming fav isnt a logical spot. I think that harping on the fact that she is a three year old filly marginalizes her at this point. She isnt simply a great three year old filly. She is the best horse in America, therefore the best races which the Haskell and Woodward represent are logical spots. It is unheard of in sports which is the reason that he persists in arguing. If a Woman version of Usain Bolt was winning in faster times than the men wouldnt it be logical that she would challenge men sprinters? Wouldnt she become a way bigger star by beating men and becoming the worlds fastest human rather than persisting in beating upon the overmatched girls?

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Zenyatta sucks, why does she get brought up in a Woodward thread?

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

tier 2 group? Who is the tier 1 group?

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