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jwkniska 08-19-2010 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 685216)
The Bev D might be the best betting race that I have ever seen at Arlington, I'll be using all but Romancaca and Hot Cha Cha.

The Million might be the 2nd best betting race that I have ever seen at Arlington. Word is that Gio Ponti doesn't look all that great, and even on the sheets he is one of many. Should have plenty of opportunities to make some scores.

I hope that means we hit the pick 3, because if GP doesn't win, it should pay a ton better!

Scav 08-19-2010 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 685218)
Good luck Thomas.

Because I'm a busy boy the next 48 hours

7: 2
8: 1,4
9: 1,3,4,6,7,9,10
10: 2,3,4,7,8,9,10

8: 1,4
9: 1,3,4,6,7,9,10
10: 2,3,4,7,8,9,10

Presses on Paddy

R4 I think Recapturetheglory is a great win bet, should be under the radar with Giant Oak, Gran Estreno, and the one less win Exchanging Kisses.

The rest of the card is better then expected. R1 looks like Catalano and R2 is unbettable.

Last race, I think Tellme All aboutIt could be tough but would use with Catinatree. I also think Surfer Rosa is gonna run a big race. She will be extreme value in the Exacta's and tri's.

hockey2315 08-19-2010 11:46 PM

The more I look the more Paddy just looks like a single.

I'm starting to really like Gypsy's Warning in the Bev D.

I think Debussy is the Euro you want in the Million, but I'll use all three trying to beat Gio, even though I'm a fan.

RockHardTen1985 08-19-2010 11:47 PM

I'm tossing Paddy for Jamie Spencer. I'm tossing Gio for a 5 deep spread, and I don't think the Beverly D is that wide open, I'm leaning on Mott and the 1.

Scav 08-19-2010 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 685233)
The more I look the more Paddy just looks like a single.

I'm starting to really like Gypsy's Warning in the Bev D.

I think Debussy is the Euro you want in the Million, but I'll use all three trying to beat Gio, even though I'm a fan.

The only person I listen to in regards to handicapping is Brockguy, he tells me this horse can beat him, so I gotta use him, how much will depend on how they bet the horse.

RockHardTen1985 08-19-2010 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 685235)
The only person I listen to in regards to handicapping is Brockguy, he tells me this horse can beat him, so I gotta use him, how much will depend on how they bet the horse.


I might be calling Saturday for live play by play.

NTamm1215 08-19-2010 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 685233)
The more I look the more Paddy just looks like a single.

I'm starting to really like Gypsy's Warning in the Bev D.

I think Debussy is the Euro you want in the Million, but I'll use all three trying to beat Gio, even though I'm a fan.

I don't see Debussy at all. He looks like he wants some cut in the ground and seems a little off form. Tactically I think Tazeez is the best of the Euros by far and he's the one I'm using.

NT

RockHardTen1985 08-19-2010 11:59 PM

Goodnight Nickey, Thomas and Brian.

tiggerv 08-20-2010 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 685228)
Last race, I think Tellme All aboutIt could be tough but would use with Catinatree. I also think Surfer Rosa is gonna run a big race. She will be extreme value in the Exacta's and tri's.

Wow, she got the post in Siberia. :mad:

Wigmore Hall is beating older in England so he is obviously talented. He may be up against it with the closing from the clouds style in a short field and one of the speeds scratching. Assuming Kent has Paddy stalking and getting first jump then he should win. I can't single him though.

brockguy 08-20-2010 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 684943)
I was thinking the same thing but his trainer said in the DRF article that since he's a gelding, they've been looking for bigger money spots. He also said that if he were to run him in group company his rating would go up and he'd have to carry more weight.

Here's the story: http://www.drf.com/news/gentler-wigm...ng-secretariat

NT

Michael Bell has gone up ten fold in my eyes by using my favourite phrase "See you next Tuesday"

Wigmore Hall has a great chance - his RPR are a bit lower than I thought they would be, but he is a rapidly improving 3yo and his last run was mightily impressive!*

hockey2315 08-20-2010 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 685237)
I don't see Debussy at all. He looks like he wants some cut in the ground and seems a little off form. Tactically I think Tazeez is the best of the Euros by far and he's the one I'm using.

NT

I think it's pretty futile trying to determine which Euros like what type of ground. . . I also don't think he's off form at all. I give him mild excuses for his last two and neither was a terrible try. He'll save ground sitting right behind Tazeez and the 5 and I'd rather have him than a six-year-old gelding. I'm still using all three, though.

CSC 08-20-2010 07:00 AM

Interesting that Gerald Butler 'the trainer' not actor, onced worked for D Wayne Lukas. Pathattack has a good draw and has all the looks of a dangerous Euro, I'll use both her and Summit Surge in the Million and Bev D.

CSC 08-20-2010 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 685237)
I don't see Debussy at all. He looks like he wants some cut in the ground and seems a little off form. Tactically I think Tazeez is the best of the Euros by far and he's the one I'm using.

NT

Summit Surge needs fast ground, he doesn't like cut in the ground, with 60% chance of precipitation for Sat, hopefully for him if it does rain it will be during the day of the race. There is a big difference from a course that is soaked with rain overnight and a firm course that is exposed to rain during the day of the races, a yielding course can still produce fast times, this is how I judge if a course is truly soft.

brianwspencer 08-20-2010 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 685237)
I don't see Debussy at all. He looks like he wants some cut in the ground and seems a little off form. Tactically I think Tazeez is the best of the Euros by far and he's the one I'm using.

NT

That's completely how I felt looking at the race on paper, but after seeing the pair of them together in the morning the last two days, I'm not quite as sure as I was before. On paper, I don't see how Debussy gets the job done, but oh my, this guy in the mornings....

One word that describes Debussy since settling into Arlington? Swagger.

South Beach Luv 08-20-2010 02:40 PM

In for the Aaron Vercruysse long shots tonight on HRTV, they preview the races at 7:30 CST

jwkniska 08-21-2010 06:59 AM

got a little rain overnight, but with rain having moved out for the most part... track will be good, drying out to firm turf as soon as the sun comes out.

PatCummings 08-21-2010 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 685446)
That's completely how I felt looking at the race on paper, but after seeing the pair of them together in the morning the last two days, I'm not quite as sure as I was before. On paper, I don't see how Debussy gets the job done, but oh my, this guy in the mornings....

One word that describes Debussy since settling into Arlington? Swagger.

I've been sucked in by morning work looks before, but totally agree with NTamm. Very few non-accomplished foreign shippers run their career best race in the Arlington Million.

Summit Surge just ran the best race of his career...will he double up? Debussy does not class up to these and was still beaten by Summit Surge last time. Tazeez fits most - his third in the Prince of Wales's was a monster effort in a great race and he gets back to ten furlongs. He'll be the only Euro on my tickets in the race.

CSC 08-21-2010 12:22 PM

1st race in 1:02.04 on yielding-good turf. Not much cut in the ground.

Sightseek 08-21-2010 04:33 PM

Nice win for Mr. D. :)

CSC 08-21-2010 05:13 PM

Summit Surge and Debussy are going off at a nice price, key them to win and over Gio Ponti and you make pick up a slick win/exacta.


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