I hate to get back on original topic, but they are playing a hell of a game so far.

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I'm okay with that.


really, the entire base of the arguement was that the Phillies have the best rotation. i just dont think there's a question. it kind of split onto a roy halladay vs the rest of the cy young candidates.

i could pump up two more pages of Cole Hamels, Cliff Lee and Worley/Oswalt love!

Much better

i dont see it with Hope Solo. she's one sexy woman. is it because of her athletic build?

Verlander 20 starts 12-4 2.15 era 151 IP 101 H 12HR 31BB 147K 4CG WAR 4.5
Halladay 19 starts 11-3 2.45 era 143 IP 129 H 8HR 17BB 138k 6CG WAR 5.1

Considering that Verlander pitches in a decidedly pitchers park and Halladay pitches in a decidedly hitters park it splitting hairs either way.

And if you are going to use advanced metrics as Slotdirt often does it should be noted that Halladays Wins above replacement (WAR) is not only the best in the MLB but Verlander isnt 2nd (4th)

My point remains that there is no way that 99% of managers/GM's are taking Verlander based on this seasons results.

And the irony is I probably would take Verlander too.

US into finals with 3-1 win over very game French team, french came out in second half and tied game 1-1 outplaying the US for quite awhile but then two clutch goals put the game away!

To me,yes they do.

They do have a great rotation. I'll concede they are the best, but I don't think the Braves are that far off. In a year or two I think the Braves rotation is going to be the best. Jurrjens is a beast. Tommy Hanson is very good, Beachy has good stuff and they have a few guys in their farm system that are really good that they have brought up for a spot start here and there this year. Julio Tehran, Randall Delgado and Arodys Vizcaino all have really good stuff.

I think Tehran is going to be a star when he finally gets moved up for good.

There are better examples....but this is like horseshoes.



They're close enough.

I will have to respecfully disagree when it comes to the brunette (hope solo). the blonde.. I see your point.

Aren't they both pictures of Hope Solo? One she has blonde hair, one she's a brunette.

I do hope both teams get and stay healthy for the second half. its much more fun when its a close race. and the nationals are improving, the mets are, well they are the mets. NL east is tough this year.

No big deal.......not involved with either.

they look like two completely different people to me but you could be right!!

if you are right... she needs to stay with the brunette look! Maybe with her long sleave jersey on you just cant see the buffness.. she's freaking gorgeous though. love the eyes / facial features and legs. plus she's a goalie so she's probably a freak..

WAR is obviously subjective depending on who is calculating it, as other websites list Verlander at 5.4 to Halladay's 4.9. Based on what I've seen of both pitchers so far this season, that would be a more accurate indicator of each pitcher's player value.

Also, based on park factor statistics for 2011, the Tigers and Phillies both play in parks that are, on average, friendlier to pitchers than hitters. In 2010, the park factors for Comerica and Citizens Bank were virtually identical (16th and 17th in the league, respectively). In 2009, both parks ranked friendlier to hitters than pitchers (the Cit one spot higher than Comerica 12th versus 13th), and in 2007 and 2008, Comerica was actually a friendlier park to hitters than was Citizens Bank. SO really, the evidence doesn't show that Citizens Bank Park is more of a hitters park than Comerica (not to mention the fact that Halladay's former home field of the old Skydome almost always in recent years yielded fewer runs than the average park).

P.S. - Alex Morgan is still hot.

I think any advantage you want to give Verlander for pitching in a "pitchers" park, when at home, is offset by the fact that Halladay gets an auto out at least once every 9 batters at least 75% of the time. Outside of Adam Dunne, Verlander has no easy outs.

By the by, guy having the most under the radar awesome season this year has to be Gio Gonzalez. That guy's numbers are also pretty sparkling.

She doesn't look hot to me...at all.

Alex Morgan, I mean.