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Kasept 02-26-2007 11:23 AM

Prado on Adore the Gold in FOY
 
Edgar Prado has reportedly committed to Mike Gorham to ride Adore the Gold Saturday in the Fountain of Youth. This lends further credence that Buffalo Man has been injured...

blackthroatedwind 02-26-2007 11:30 AM

You don't honestly think he would choose Buffalo Man ( injured or not ) over Adore the Gold?

Cajungator26 02-26-2007 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Edgar Prado has reportedly committed to Mike Gorham to ride Adore the Gold Saturday in the Fountain of Youth. This lends further credence that Buffalo Man has been injured...

Well, that's interesting, Steve...

I'm dying to know what happened.

point given 02-26-2007 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Edgar Prado has reportedly committed to Mike Gorham to ride Adore the Gold Saturday in the Fountain of Youth. This lends further credence that Buffalo Man has been injured...

Hope you're right on ATG, should provide a lively pace. Very sporting to take on NOBIZ, in his 1st 2 turn race ( on memory here). Would have thought they would take an easier route. Hope they have alot of that Holy Water to sprinkle on his tootsies !

blackthroatedwind 02-26-2007 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by point given
Hope you're right on ATG, should provide a lively pace. Very sporting to take on NOBIZ, in his 1st 2 turn race ( on memory here). Would have thought they would take an easier route. Hope they have alot of that Holy Water to sprinkle on his tootsies !


I don't know if I would call it " sporting " necessarily. At some point it's important to have an idea where you stand. I don't think NoBiz, as good as he may be, has exactly stamped himself as a horse to avoid.

ArlJim78 02-26-2007 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I don't know if I would call it " sporting " necessarily. At some point it's important to have an idea where you stand. I don't think NoBiz, as good as he may be, has exactly stamped himself as a horse to avoid.

So far at least I don't think anyone fits that description, a horse to avoid. There simply is nobody that strong.

NoBiz has been my top choice for a long time but my confidence in him has slipped a bit. I'm looking for him to show a new dimension in the FOY.

blackthroatedwind 02-26-2007 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
So far at least I don't think anyone fits that description, a horse to avoid. There simply is nobody that strong.

NoBiz has been my top choice for a long time but my confidence in him has slipped a bit. I'm looking for him to show a new dimension in the FOY.

I feel exactly the same way. Right now there are a number of horses that might be pretty good but nobody has come close to seperating himself from the field.

Save Dreaming of Anna of course.

Mac88 02-26-2007 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
So far at least I don't think anyone fits that description, a horse to avoid. There simply is nobody that strong.

NoBiz has been my top choice for a long time but my confidence in him has slipped a bit. I'm looking for him to show a new dimension in the FOY.

I have liked him as top choice as well but agree 100% with comments about "new dimension". He seems to still be figuring things out and granted he might just do that by Derby day, but I am not at all impressed with who he has beated, ie Scat Daddy and Zanjero. Drums of Thunder might be Ok down the line I guess, but all in all he is winning on sheer ability while seemingly still goofing around.

hockey2315 02-26-2007 01:18 PM

Adore the Gold is my Derby horse as of right now. . . I better bet him big on Saturday because that'll probably be the last time he'll be a decent price. . .

The Indomitable DrugS 02-26-2007 01:30 PM

You could have got better than 100-1 odds on Adore the Gold (104/1 in fact) as early as three days ago, through the offshore site Ehorse's betting exchange

Mac88 02-26-2007 01:33 PM

Love Mike Gorham as a trainer but still have my doubts about ATG. Prado on a plus but certainly have questions.

But sure would take 104-1 on him

Nikewed 02-26-2007 02:09 PM

What am I missing here:

Adore the Gold has ZERO SHOT --Prado or otherwise.

point given 02-26-2007 02:18 PM

true
 
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I don't know if I would call it " sporting " necessarily. At some point it's important to have an idea where you stand. I don't think NoBiz, as good as he may be, has exactly stamped himself as a horse to avoid.

While he is not necessarily a horse to avoid, ATG will be taking on the #1 ranked horse with a solid 2yo foundation, and experience at 2 turns. Seems a tough placement to go 2 turns the first time ( if my memory serves). Agreed that they have to find out where they stand, guess I'm just a little conservative , but I welcome seeing him perform.

cakes44 02-26-2007 02:53 PM

Adore the Gold easily won the dover around 2 turns at Delaware against some decent horses. With his speed and versatility, I think he's got a huge chance in the FOY if he draws reasonable. Dreams of Thunder gets back to 2 turns as well, which he'll love.

Linny 02-26-2007 03:31 PM

Didn't ATG finish up the track in the Remsen behind NoBiz?

cakes44 02-26-2007 04:15 PM

Yes he did.

bugsoup 02-26-2007 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Edgar Prado has reportedly committed to Mike Gorham to ride Adore the Gold Saturday in the Fountain of Youth. This lends further credence that Buffalo Man has been injured...

yes buffalo man is out. also good showing with funnyboy today 3rd place.

Dunbar 02-26-2007 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
You could have got better than 100-1 odds on Adore the Gold (104/1 in fact) as early as three days ago, through the offshore site Ehorse's betting exchange

You can still get 83-1 at CRIS.

--Dunbar

hockey2315 02-26-2007 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar
You can still get 83-1 at CRIS.

--Dunbar

Dubar- Do you have a link? Thanks

Dunbar 02-27-2007 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Dubar- Do you have a link? Thanks

It's BetCris.com, hockey. I'm sorry I didn't stick around long enough yesterday to see your question, because right now the Derby line is not up at CRIS. It's been up for at least a week-and-a-half straight. It was definitely up when I posted yesterday, because I rechecked Adore The Gold's odds before posting. The odds had been as high as 100-1 a week ago.

Hopefully they'll put the Derby futures back up before the weekend.

--Dunbar

hockey2315 02-27-2007 12:22 PM

Thanks!

Dunbar 02-27-2007 12:30 PM

The odds at betCRIS.com are back up today, and Adore The Gold is still 83-1.

Also, it looks like CRIS will win my coveted "Taking Bets On A Dead Horse" award for the 2nd year in a row. They are still showing Chace City at 140-1. Last year they won the award by listing With A City for weeks after his death.

As bad as it is to see a dead or injured horse still listed, the consolation is that it probably indicates some cluelessness on CRIS's part with regard to the chances of the actual contenders.

--Dunbar

jpops757 02-27-2007 01:27 PM

I dont think anyone has established themselfes as a horse to avoid. Thus do whats best for your horse and run conviently at the best purse avaiiable. My opinion about Nobiz is to chalange him now even tho he seems to be the favorite of most and thus bet against. Even tho with his performance thus far he deserves to be the favorite. Usually this time of the year you have strong sentiment for the highest Beyers. Probably get over 30/1 on the 5 highest when the next pool opens.

Dunbar 02-28-2007 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar
It's BetCris.com, hockey.

I just read that CRIS is moving all US-based accounts over to its sister, Bookmaker.com. Same betting platform.

Adore The Gold's future odds have plummeted from 83-1 all the way down to 80-1!

--Dunbar

point given 02-28-2007 07:20 PM

O'neill thinks otherwise
 
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I don't know if I would call it " sporting " necessarily. At some point it's important to have an idea where you stand. I don't think NoBiz, as good as he may be, has exactly stamped himself as a horse to avoid.

"The progress of Notional, Liquidity, and Merv Griffin-owned Cobalt Blue has forced O'Neill to divide and conquer in the hopes of keeping those horses apart as long as possible. Notional, for instance, won the San Rafael Stakes here in January, traveled to New Orleans to win the Risen Star Stakes on Feb. 10, and will make his next start in either the Florida Derby on March 31 or the Wood Memorial at Aqueduct on April 7.

"Wherever Nobiz Like Shobiz goes, we won't go," Dennis O'Neill said.

Until Derby Day, that is. "

http://www.drf.com/news/article/82893.html

" Like Gorham, O'Neill also showed great respect for Nobiz Like Shobiz, who he is hoping to avoid along the Derby trail.

"He kicked our butts (in the grade I Champagne where Nobiz finished second and Liquidity ran ninth)," he said. "I was standing right next to Barclay. They were so proud of that horse and they should be--he's a beast when you stand next to him. Not only does he have the look, but he has extremely fast numbers. If you can avoid that horse before the big dance, it would be good."

http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=37764

Sightseek 02-28-2007 08:42 PM

Prado's other mounts for the remaining preps look to be filling up as well:

Soaring By in the LA Derby
Flying First Class in the Rebel


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