King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes
 

How it's looking at this point.....


Saturday July 26 2008
Ascot 16:20

King George VI And Queen Elizabeth Stakes (Group 1)£850000.00 added, 3yo plus, 1m 4f, Class 1 17 runnersGoing: Good, Good to Firm in places


15:45 16:20
Form Horse Age Wt Trainer Jockey OR NagMe Bet
24/112-1 Ask 5 9-7 Sir Michael Stoute 119 SP SP SP
2423-11 Duke Of Marmalade (IRE) 4 9-7 A P O'Brien 126 SP SP SP
431-100 Happy Boy (BRZ) 5 9-7 Saeed bin Suroor 102 SP SP SP
2111-06 Literato (FR) 4 9-7 Saeed bin Suroor 120 SP SP SP
2411-06 Lucarno (USA) 4 9-7 J H M Gosden 115 SP SP SP
336-013 Macarthur 4 9-7 A P O'Brien 119 SP SP SP
11/0-635 Mount Nelson 4 9-7 A P O'Brien 120 SP SP SP
51130-4 Papal Bull 5 9-7 Sir Michael Stoute 121 SP SP SP
00-0360 Petara Bay (IRE) 4 9-7 T G Mills 105 SP SP SP
0223-30 Red Rock Canyon (IRE) 4 9-7 A P O'Brien 115 SP SP SP
3523-05 Sagara (USA) 4 9-7 Saeed bin Suroor 117 SP SP SP
5242-52 Youmzain (IRE) 5 9-7 M R Channon 125 SP SP SP
031-416 Alessandro Volta 3 8-9 A P O'Brien 118 SP SP SP
34-5301 Bashkirov 3 8-9 A P O'Brien 113 SP SP SP
10-1131 Campanologist (USA) 3 8-9 Saeed bin Suroor 115 SP SP SP
0-52030 King Of Rome (IRE) 3 8-9 A P O'Brien 106 SP SP SP
242 Moonstone 3 8-6 A P O'Brien 111 SP SP SP

mount nelson? interesting name...might as well have called it lady hamilton

Nice horse... won the Coral-Eclipse.

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Will Ryan ride Papal Bull or Ask (... or will Ask sit this one out)?

Pretty sure Ask will run, that is the plan anyway. If the ground was to get too firm, they might consider taking him out. Ask would be the obvious choice for him to ride, but he loves Papal to bits.

It's hard to look past Duke Of Marmalade and Youmzain in this.

Yeah but Youmzain likes to wait a while between wins...:D

I refuse to handicap or watch any race with five or more words in the title.

MMSC, where do you get these fields from.. the form figures are off by a fair bit.. disappointed no Saddex there, he would have been my horse to upset the Duke and Youmzain

Got it here...

http://horses.sportinglife.com/GU_Me...08%5E6,00.html

Searched again, no Saddex news anywhere.

What do you think of Ask, Brock?

Nice boy.....

grand,

I like Ask, but the day he beat Scorpion in Chester cost me close to a grand in Euros, so that took a while to get over. He is a G1 horse over 12f..

yeah, Im just a bit worried about Saddex that he has picked up an injury..

:D

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Brock... Ask said he's really sorry about that.:wf

It doesn't mean anything but I guess his (Saddex) name being here is better than his name not being here.....

http://bettingzone.oddschecker.com/b...x.sid:30534185

i backed him at around 100-1 for the Arc.. I hope he shows up..

BC Filly & Mare Turf? :p

I love most of the field.... will be happy for whoever wins. :)

So where is Soldier of Fortune going now? Good thing I added him in the Road to the Breeders Cup for this race. :rolleyes:

All I know is he's entered for both the Juddmonte International in August and the Irish Champion in September....

Cool, thanks. At least the Juddmonte International is a contest race, as is the Arc.

The ballydoyle camp have so many top class horses that are suited by similar races, it is becoming difficult pick a route for them through the year. He doesn't like running the good older horses against each other, but in the major races in the autumn, he might have to. I imagine Soldier Of Fortune's main aim this year is the Arc, I'm not convinced the drop back to ten furlongs in the Juddmonte would suit him. Maybe he will run in something like the Prix Foy before the Arc.

Back to the King George, again it's not a great race for something which used to be so prestigious a feew years ago. Unless the Duke and Youmzain under perform by a good few pounds, one of those will win.

Literato isn't the same horse he was, and I think this trip plays to his strengths.

Papal Bull is a nightmare of a horse to work out, but even on his best form it leaves him with a bit to find.

Ask will win a Gr1 at twelve furlongs before too long, but the drying ground is against him and connections are probably already thinking of a nice autumn campaign for him. He could be the one to take advantage if the main two underperform.

Happy Boy just isn't good enough to cope with this grade.

Lucarno got a terrific ride to win last time, but the same tactics will be harder to do here, and needs to improve a bit.

i have a feeling they will try to win a top class 10f race for Soldier Of Fortune's CV.. I still think of him as rather "slow", a very good horse but someone who takes a while to get going and would struggle in a genuine G1 10f race..

I agree, there is no doubt that a Gr1 win over 10 would do wonders for his future, but like you, I don't think he has the tactical speed to cope with the drop in trip. If anything, he'd appreciate further.

On June 10th Soldier of Fortune was favored for both this race and the Arc! Now he runs 2nd to Youmzain in France and he's not a horse that can win a G1? You guys are tough over there!

in fairness he was probably the Arc fav by default, he is a proper G1 horse i just think hes vulnerable over 10f, i dont think he has that much speed..

We never said he wasn't capable of winning a Gr1 in general, but neither me or brock can see him winning a genuine Gr1 over 10 furlongs. He lacks the speed and the gears in my opinion.

But Literato has been pretty dreadful since joining Godolphin. He will probably need lots of rain to even give him a run at the weekend.

Damn!
It was such a good theory.

There's a chance he goes to the Grosser Dallmayr-Preis Bayerisches Zuchtrennen the following day instead...

Ask has been drifting all day, while Papal Bull has been getting backed. This sort of move would suggest that either Ask isn't going to run, or that Papal Bull is going to be the stable first string.

From Racing Post......



OLIVIER PESLIER has been booked to partner Papal Bull in the King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes, quashing speculation Ryan Moore would ride him instead of Ask, who was the subject of a big drift on the betting exchanges.

Papal Bull and Ask swapped positions in the ante-post market on Tuesday, with Papal Bull becoming the shorter-priced of the Sir Michael Stoute-trained duo, while Ask was available at 27-1 on Betfair on Tuesday morning, before coming back to 18-1 at 7.10pm.

Coral halved Papal Bull's odds to 7-1, after claiming to have laid him to lose a six-figure sum in a matter of hours.

“Every shrewdie on our books has been backing Papal Bull today and with Ask drifting like a barge on the exchanges, and with the ground at Ascot riding fast, you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to suspect that Ryan Moore is going to ride Papal Bull, and Ask is going to miss the race,” said Coral spokesman Simon Clare.

However, Gary Patchett, a spokesman for the Papal Bull Syndicate, revealed that Stoute had booked Peslier, while Simon Christian, who represents Ask's owner, Patrick Fahey, said: “Ask is a runner until we know otherwise. If there was something amiss, I'm sure we would have been told.”


Peslier has a fine international major-race pedigree but has yet to win the King George, coming closest when second on Derby winner High-Rise in 1998.

He has had only two rides in Britain for Stoute in the last five seasons but his link-up with Papal Bull has delighted connections.

Patchett added: “When Sir Michael told us who he had booked we were thrilled. We were so excited we made a point of asking Sir Michael that if plans for his other horse changed, we would like things to stay the way they are, and he said he couldn't see that being a problem.”

Confirming riding arrangements, Stoute expressed a hope that the ground is not as firm as it was when Ask finished fifth in the Prince of Wales's Stakes.

He said: “Oliver Peslier will ride Papal Bull and Ryan will ride Ask. Obviously we don't want the ground as firm as it was at Royal Ascot for Ask, although he ran there.

“I'll have to check with Chris Stickels, but we're hoping to run. We'll see what happens later in the week.”

8 left.....


Saturday July 26 2008
Ascot 16:20

King George Vi And Queen Elizabeth Stakes (group 1)£850000.00 added, 3yo plus, 1m 4f, Class 1, £482545.00 penalty 8 runnersGoing: Good to Firm


Colours: Show Hide 14:00 14:35 15:05 15:40 16:20 16:55 17:30
No. Form Horse Age Wt Trainer Jockey OR NagMe Bet
1 (3) 4/112-15 Ask 38 5 9-7 Sir Michael Stoute R L Moore 119 SP SP SP
2 (4) 423-111 Duke Of Marmalade (IRE) 38 4 9-7 A P O'Brien J Murtagh 126 SP SP SP
3 (7) 411-061 Lucarno (USA) 16 4 9-7 J H M Gosden J Fortune 116 SP SP SP
4 (6) 36-7131 Macarthur 35 4 9-7 A P O'Brien J A Heffernan 119 SP SP SP
5 (8) 1137-42 Papal Bull 16 5 9-7 Sir Michael Stoute O Peslier 120 SP SP SP
6 (2) 0-03683 Petara Bay (IRE) 16 4 9-7 T G Mills Jim Crowley 105 SP SP SP
7 (5) 0223-30 Red Rock Canyon (IRE) 38 4 9-7 A P O'Brien C O'Donoghue 115 SP SP SP
8 (1) 242-521 Youmzain (IRE) 27 5 9-7 M R Channon R Hughes 125 SP SP SP


Betting Forecast: 10/11 Duke Of Marmalade (IRE), 3/1 Youmzain (IRE), 8/1 Ask, 8/1 Lucarno (USA), 12/1 Papal Bull, 16/1 Macarthur, 66/1 Petara Bay (IRE), 200/1 Red Rock Canyon (IRE)Live racecards, results and betting

really think the Duke will win it here but Youmzain has the best 12f form by a mile.. I do prefer to back Youmzain off a disappointing effort at like 50-1 than off a career best, BUT, maybe they have found the key to him, they ran him closer to the pace last time, so I think i may have to be on him here..

He has the best 12 furlong form by far, but is this really going to turn out like a true 12 furlong race? I have my doubts. In my opinion, Youmzain is on a hiding to nothing here. If the pace is slow, he is going to sit and suffer and won't have the turn of foot to go with the Duke, and as a horse who can't be in front for too long, he can't set his own pace to make sure it's a proper gallop.

The Ballydoyle camp are no mugs and Red Rock Canyon is likely to set a moderate pace allowing Duke Of Marmalade to quicken. If this does happen, I can see him winning by at least four or five as the others struggle to quicken with him.

Come home safe, kids.

... and TVG cuts to commercials. Brilliant.

Off slooooww...

Jesus! The Duke wins, Papal fought hard...

wow, the duke just beat the PApal Bull.. miles clear of Youmzain who had loads of trouble..

Ask 5th Brock?