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Kasept 02-15-2009 01:20 PM

2/19 (GP): ALW.. Dunkirk, Alma d'Oro & More..
 
8th (4:42)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Allowance | Purse: $42,000

http://www.brisnet.com/bris_link/pdf...her_139264.pdf

1 More Than Willing Desormeaux K J 122 L
2 Warrior's Reward Borel C H 122 FTL
3 Jet Set Vinny Trujillo E 120 L
4 They're Late Bravo J 120 L
5 Alma d'Oro Prado E S 122 L
6 American Dance Lezcano J 120 L
7 Sincero Leparoux J R 120 L
8 Dunkirk Gomez G K 120 L
9 Stately Character Garcia Alan 120 L
10 Saint Reade McAleney J S 120 L

ateamstupid 02-16-2009 11:01 PM

Warrior's Reward from Wilkes is a little interesting. How about Gomez coming in to ride Dunkirk with Prado ditching him for Alma d'Oro? Should be a neat race.

blackthroatedwind 02-16-2009 11:23 PM

Will Alma D'oro be over 8:5?

He shouldn't be.

Bobby Fischer 02-17-2009 11:33 AM

Nice race , this is a really good chance to review some video and really get an opinion about a few of these who haven't yet clearly defined their ability level.

Dunkirk and Alma D'oro could each take a good backing , and some of these others are at least worth a look. More Than Willing has made some good headway in each race and and headway on the turn is big in these GP 9F. A lot of these races are won when a horse makes that headway and then nobody gains position in the stretch- they all just grind home. Looked like Dunkirk did a lot of good running in the lane itself - maybe that is going to help him draw off?//maybe it will be nullified at the distance?.
Warriors Reward was part of that gift-from-Barbaro exacta, and I honestly have to watch him all over again, don't even remember his run. American Dance is well bred and has some decent races on paper- have to look him over as well.

lots of fun

Linny 02-17-2009 03:15 PM

Warriors Reward skipped up the fence fast coming for home. He wasn't exactly "far back" but he was pretty much the only closer on that card.

NTamm1215 02-17-2009 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny
Warriors Reward skipped up the fence fast coming for home. He wasn't exactly "far back" but he was pretty much the only closer on that card.

Yes...he had quite the trip.

NT

Bobby Fischer 02-19-2009 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Linny
Warriors Reward skipped up the fence fast coming for home.

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Yes...he had quite the trip.

^^BoRAIL:rolleyes: got a good response from Warrior's Reward. Love how quiet Borel is when he wants to get headway, and is still standing up "under wraps".

Those of you who downloaded the bris PPs a few days ago may want to to download today's copy.
Dunkirk's maiden race was upgraded in the RR(109 to 111) and CR(111 to 115) ratings [sarcastic oooooooooh].

Extra Extra - hot off the press Alma D'oro's Feb 15th 5f work.

AeWingnut 02-19-2009 06:09 AM

Random thoughts
 
How long will Jet Set Vinny be on the lead?


American Dance is the other Pletcher horse

miraja2 02-19-2009 10:25 AM

1-5-7 exacta box

swedejxn 02-19-2009 03:26 PM

miraja why OFF Dunkirk?
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Originally Posted by miraja2
1-5-7 exacta box


SundayStar 02-19-2009 03:42 PM

i like american dance

swedejxn 02-19-2009 03:46 PM

Based on Price... Dunkirk has to perform... 1st out had a little problem with the trip ... but exploded.... don't usually like first out against winners ... but.....

They're Late chased Danger to Society and AP Cardinal first off layoff and made progress... sleeper

Stately Character poor showing in Holy Bull but will see if can show better against these

Alma D'Oro should improve off last

American Dance needs one...

SundayStar 02-19-2009 03:46 PM

nice win by dunkirk after going very wide on the first turn

Coach Pants 02-19-2009 03:47 PM

Alma D'Oro folded like a cheap tent.

jwkniska 02-19-2009 03:49 PM

8+ wide the first turn, 3-4 wide the 2nd turn... that was impressive by Dunkirk.

justindew 02-19-2009 05:33 PM

If Pool #2 of the Future Wager was this weekend and Dunkirk was included, how hideously overbet would he be?

fatty 02-19-2009 06:23 PM

Overbet? The horse ran 7 or wide around first turn. Still had alot in drive. Plenty of other horses as you know are overbet. I would not feel a considerable amount of wagers on him at this point as being anymore overbet than those who bet Old Fashioned in Pool 1.

jwkniska 02-19-2009 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew
If Pool #2 of the Future Wager was this weekend and Dunkirk was included, how hideously overbet would he be?

in the vegas futures from the Hilton (let it ride contest), Dunkirk went from 40-1 last week to 50-1 now.... soon to be chopped in half.

Bobby Fischer 02-19-2009 09:07 PM

pretty good race
 
Dunkirk looked pretty tough. He may or may not be a worthy hyped horse but he is certainly on the right path to the 3yo classics. Not a bad race from Hero's Reward either.

I was extremely "upset" at first viewing when Prado seemed to be worried about riding other horses than just the 5 :mad:
I had a trifecta with Alma D'oro on top, and Prado had the golden inside speed trip which is worth a ton at Gulfstream but instead chose to go W-I-D-E into the first turn.

I have to watch this race again, race replays is having some delays but should be up soon.

hurricanefrank 02-19-2009 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
Dunkirk looked pretty tough. He may or may not be a worthy hyped horse but he is certainly on the right path to the 3yo classics. Not a bad race from Hero's Reward either.

I was extremely "upset" at first viewing when Prado seemed to be worried about riding other horses than just the 5 :mad:
I had a trifecta with Alma D'oro on top, and Prado had the golden inside speed trip which is worth a ton at Gulfstream but instead chose to go W-I-D-E into the first turn.

I have to watch this race again, race replays is having some delays but should be up soon.

I don't think Alma had any real excuse. He gave way quickly once the real running started.

VOL JACK 02-19-2009 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
Dunkirk looked pretty tough. He may or may not be a worthy hyped horse but he is certainly on the right path to the 3yo classics. Not a bad race from Hero's Reward either.

I was extremely "upset" at first viewing when Prado seemed to be worried about riding other horses than just the 5 :mad:
I had a trifecta with Alma D'oro on top, and Prado had the golden inside speed trip which is worth a ton at Gulfstream but instead chose to go W-I-D-E into the first turn.

I have to watch this race again, race replays is having some delays but should be up soon.

I love when jockeys go on a kamikaze mission to make sure ( or try ) to eliminate a fellow runner. It never works to the aggressor's benefit.

I thought ADO was the most likely winner because he was the inside speed, who should save all the ground. Basically, Im in total agreement with you that Prado they away every advantage he had to win the race. Although I doubt it was Edgar's idea to go on the first turn attack.;) ;)

Bobby Fischer 02-19-2009 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
I love when jockeys go on a kamikaze mission to make sure ( or try ) to eliminate a fellow runner. It never works to the aggressor's benefit.

I thought ADO was the most likely winner because he was the inside speed, who should save all the ground. Basically, Im in total agreement with you that Prado they away every advantage he had to win the race. Although I doubt it was Edgar's idea to go on the first turn attack.;) ;)

yea sure seems that is often the case. Whether or not Alma D'oro had any chance it was frustrating to see him needlessly wide when you expected him to be getting the early advantage.


after seeing it again - Dunkirk looked great. Bring on Old Fashioned.
Warrior's Reward had a better trip than I originally had thought but still ran a decent race.

SniperSB23 02-19-2009 10:41 PM

How wonderful, two hopelessly overrated Unbridled Song's on the Derby Trail and is it only February.

VOL JACK 02-19-2009 10:41 PM

DUNKIRK--98 BEYER.
Probaly a neagitve ten (-10) Thoro-graph.:eek:

SniperSB23 02-19-2009 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
DUNKIRK--98 BEYER.
Probaly a neagitve ten (-10) Thoro-graph.:eek:

Was the only two turn race of the day. They could make the figure anything they want.

VOL JACK 02-19-2009 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23
How wonderful, two hopelessly overrated Unbridled Song's on the Derby Trail and is it only February.

Sorry Charlie but its the best we have.

the_fat_man 02-19-2009 10:46 PM

It's hard to believe that SOME still think that PRADO can ride. That he's still a top jock. Some of his rides are just flat out RETARDED.

Today was one of his better efforts, actually. So he blew the 1st turn, rushed the horse in an attempt to collapse the pace, and got bent over. This wasn't anywhere near as bad as his ride on Giant Oak, for example. The difference, of course, and it's a SIGNIFICANT ONE, is that Giant Oak was best in that race, while Alma d'Oro would've getting CRUSHED, no matter what.

pick4 02-19-2009 10:49 PM

Dunkirk looked pretty impressive today. Where does he go from here? Todd Pletcher likes to space out time between races for his horses. Dunkirk needs to get graded earnings to get into the Derby. He could run in the Florida Derby or in the Lanes End. It will be interesting to see how Pletcher manages this horse.

SniperSB23 02-19-2009 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pick4
Dunkirk looked pretty impressive today. Where does he go from here? Todd Pletcher likes to space out time between races for his horses. Dunkirk needs to get graded earnings to get into the Derby. He could run in the Florida Derby or in the Lanes End. It will be interesting to see how Pletcher manages this horse.

I think he already said Florida Derby.

pick4 02-19-2009 11:26 PM

Florida Derby is on 3/28 so that is in line with Pletcher's track record of spacing of races. If he runs well I imagine it's straight to the Derby. That would be three preps in the horses three year old season. Is that enough racing experience or does that even matter anymore since most horses are lightly raced leading up to the Kentucky Derby anyway?

SniperSB23 02-19-2009 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pick4
Florida Derby is on 3/28 so that is in line with Pletcher's track record of spacing of races. If he runs well I imagine it's straight to the Derby. That would be three preps in the horses three year old season. Is that enough racing experience or does that even matter anymore since most horses are lightly raced leading up to the Kentucky Derby anyway?

Number of races before the Derby doesn't matter anymore, 20 horses make it to the starting gate for the Derby, only about 3 ever want anything to do with 10 furlongs. As long as you are one of those 3 and are fit enough you'll be fine. He would have to win the Florida Derby to be assured a spot in the Kentucky Derby though since Gulfstream cut the purse to $750,000 which means 2nd will only get $150,000 which will put them on the bubble. It hardly matters though, this horse has about a 1 in 8 chance of even being in the Derby starting gate between the likelihood of injury and of not winning the Florida Derby.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-20-2009 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
How wonderful, two hopelessly overrated Unbridled Song's on the Derby Trail and is it only February.

Between Midshipman, Old Fashioned, Dunkirk, and Silver City ... which two are you referring to?

Dunkirk ran way better than I thought he would. That's for damn sure.

Scurlogue Champ 02-20-2009 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Between Midshipman, Old Fashioned, Dunkirk, and Silver City ... which two are you referring to?

Dunkirk ran way better than I thought he would. That's for damn sure.

I'm thinking Old Fashioned and Dunkirk.

SniperSB23 02-20-2009 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Between Midshipman, Old Fashioned, Dunkirk, and Silver City ... which two are you referring to?

Dunkirk ran way better than I thought he would. That's for damn sure.

Is Midshipman still alive? Isn't he off in that Vineyard Haven known as Dubai where no Derby horses ever come back in time? And Silver City? The mediocre sprinter? I'm guessing you know which two overhyped horses I was talking about.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-20-2009 02:25 AM

I might have known ... but at this point ... I'm not so sure I agree.

SniperSB23 02-20-2009 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I might have known ... but at this point ... I'm not so sure I agree.

So are you living in an alternate universe where Midshipman and Silver City are overhyped or do you think a sub 100 Beyer Unbridled's Song running ok races in February like Old Fashioned or Dunkirk is really where we are going to find racing's next superstar?

The Indomitable DrugS 02-20-2009 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
So are you living in an alternate universe

That's a deep question.

Midshipman closed as something like the joint 3rd shortest price horse in last weeks Derby future wager ... and he's the 2yo champion ... it's not like no one is taking him serious.

Is it likely we will start seeing more 3yo's step up and run better? yeah. But it doesn't have to happen - and sometimes it doesn't. I think right now, those two UBS's horses have both done everything right in there two-turn races ... and I don't see a massive amount of hype for either right now.

VOL JACK 02-20-2009 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Between Midshipman, Old Fashioned, Dunkirk, and Silver City ... which two are you referring to?

Dunkirk ran way better than I thought he would. That's for damn sure.

With the way the last couple of KEE sept yearling sales have gone, its only going to get better for UBS.

VOL JACK 02-20-2009 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Is Midshipman still alive? Isn't he off in that Vineyard Haven known as Dubai where no Derby horses ever come back in time? And Silver City? The mediocre sprinter? I'm guessing you know which two overhyped horses I was talking about.


Speaking of Dubai, the best shot they have to make an impact on the Derbytrail is with Desert Party. Whom which they have owned all along, before they went on their massive spending spree for Vineyard Haven and others.

miraja2 02-20-2009 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by swedejxn
miraja why OFF Dunkirk?

Because I am terrible.


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