North Korea question
 

Shouldn't they have the right to arrest individuals who illegally enter their country? Or are we trying to dictate our policy of looking the other way educating and supporting illegal entrants? And Al Gore? LOL I'd rather have

this is just a cat and mouse game steve , let's see what obama and hillary give up when these 2 are released. They are not in one of the N Korean torture camps, they are in a safe house and they were even allowed to make a call!

I think these two knew the risk of being caught on the wrong side of the line kind of the same way 'mules' know the risk of smuggling drugs from say Columbia. The sentence was stiff but the arrests seem legit. It's not like they ran out of gas and wandered across the border looking for a station? Or were kidnapped and brought into the country. They did the crime now let em do the time. Call Kim's hand this time.

what do you think our fine leaders in Wash DC will give up / concede to win the release of the 2 journalists?

Damn you guys are tough. I hope the two girls get released. Supposedly, they had no intention to go to North Korea. Del, I think its wrong to compare the girls to drug smugglers, and you are making assumptions like they are fact.

We should all hope that these girls are released. 12 years in a prison camp is a long time.

Not sure what your getting at with this thread, but I doubt Obama is going to give up our nuclear secrets or anything like that to North Korea.

:$: :$: :$: even though we don't pay ransoms. I can only HOPE we trade Al Gore

i know not the secrets , but , surely you know that there will be some concession from DC to get them out , surely you don't think Kim Jong is just going to release them with no strings - it maybe something as simple as more food aid for his country

wow...Advocating and supporting arrests of journalists..possible in a very suspect manner...advocating a trial where no press is allowed and advocating a 12 year sentence in a labor camp for probably being dragged across a border by ambitious secirity guards. I never knew North Korea had so many fans.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090608/...urnalists_held

well they were doing a story on girls sold into the sex trade which is sickening but I'm confident N. Korea was a target. They weren't 2 college girls on spring break looking for cute Korean boys. I believe they knew exactly where they were and crossed on purpose to get a story.

surely you know that they are not going to go to a labor camp for 12 yrs .....
they are in a safe house and have been allowed to call home ... as soon as Obama gives Kim something they are out and then something similar will happen again and again for the next 8 oops 4 yrs:D :D

amen Bob.

the last democratic pres gave Kim the reactors , i'm hoping Obama is not as generous

i'm glad you believe that. But really you dont know the facts. You may be right, & also may be wrong.

So they deserve 12 years in a prison camp for being journalists? You think the punishment is justified even if your theory about them doing a story on girls sold into the sex trade is correct?

There's no reason to stick up for North Korea, especially at this time in history.

......works for me!

don't you understand that sentence is a farce! that won't see 1 day in those prison camps , the bigger picture here will be what obama gives up ....let's see what happens , remember the 90's clinton , richardson , et al and what they gave up to North Korea

Obama may show them the end result of the A bomb if they keep acting like they are. Threatening war on everyone who gets in their way. Obama has already tried dialogue, and that hasnt worked. "we may threaten you with sanctions" "okay well we're gonna test a nuke and our new missles"

A nice friendly conversations isnt going to cut it here, but lets hope this doesnt escalate into a full out violent conflict.

the problem has been that sanctions won't work til china gets on board. they are north koreas number one ally, and are the reason sanctions haven't worked to this point.
as for the joiurnalists, they're just a tool being used by north korea to attempt to strong-arm the u.s.

North Korea could end up a bigger problem for US and Obama than the Iraq/Afghan wars and the economy combined.

They are really being ruthless right now.

Lori no way are they going to do any hard time. I'm not sticking up for N.Korea just making the point these girls f'd up and now have put us in this situation of being forced to bargain with the little dictator in women's sunglasses. If they in fact N Korea crossed the border and kidnapped them I think the cameraman and guide who escaped would be doing daily stories from the place they were taken from. Also I don't think China and NKorea have a 'open border policy' where troops from either side can cross but I could be wrong. And then to know they worked for Al Gore's company? Hopefully he gets charged for any costs the US will incure to secure their release.

Joe Biden talked about challenges well this could be it

there is a very real possibility that the girls were dragged across the border by north korean guards which would make this a kidnapping. it wouldn't be the first time. and to suggest that the u.s. shouldn't attempt release for these two becasue they worked for al gore is laughable. as for the ones who escaped, yeah i'm sure they'd stay in that spot to run stories. you're forgetting that china and north korea are allies, no way china says anything about two americans getting taken. just because china has favored nation status trade-wise doesn't mean they have any love for americans.

it's funny for 8 years no one was taken from the other side of the board , yet we are 5 months in to a new administration , Kim wants to see if the new sheriff has any bullets in his gun !

whether they were kidnapped or were trespassing the bottom line is the phone is now riniging at 3AM and a decision has to be mad , surely no one here thinks they are going to the prison camps ..... the question is how do we get out of this by giving up the least as possible?

I didn't say that. I said we (The U.S.) should be reimbursed for the money it will cost to get them out. The same way a skier who decides to ski down a closed area is expected to reimburse emergency services called to rescue his dumb a $$.

are you only eight years old or don't you remember what happened on your man's watch?? three planes?? bunch of dead americans??? ring a bell?? you guys are hilarious.

think the response to that was a little tougher than sending Al Gore but maybe being in a room with him is harsher than water boarding? :zz:

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...903344,00.html


this is actually a rather common occurrence with north korea. and i'm not quite sure why the comment 'they aren't going to a prison camp' keeps getting made-it's not as tho they're living the high life at a resort.

Time has featured Obama on its cover 14 times since Jan. 1. Newsweek was close behind, featuring the now-president-elect on 12 of its issues. Time has had 52 issues in 2008, so Obama has been featured on more than one-in-four of its covers, or about 27% of the time.

That number, though, goes even higher if you include how many times Obama has appeared in the "skybox" -- 11 times.

That means Obama's face or name has somehow made it onto the cover of Time just about half of the time this year (25 out of 52 issues -- 48%)

Sorry but it appears TIME has a less than 'fair and balanced' approach when dealing with Obama.

why don't the families come out and say it was a kidnapping? If in fact we do find it was DELTA Force should handle it not the inventor of the internet.

i wonder if those numbers are similar to the very beginning of every other presidents four years? or if it's just new presidents simultaneously fighting two inherited wars and a worldwide recession.
or maybe, like you suggested, it's a big obama love-fest. what all that has to do with a story about kidnappings perpetrated by north korea i don't know.

Dont forget that Ling's sister Lisa snuck into North Korea under the premise of being a eye doctors aid . She filmed some pretty wild stuff and Im sure the people in charge were not happy with it , so it wouldnt suprise me if they took the little sister to make a statement.

With all the unwanted dogs that are killed here each day, it would seem that we could give them a couple tons of dog meat for the 2 girls release.

nice try , but , i don't think that is what Kim is looking for , he figures he got a couple of nuclear reactors out of the last Democratic president , why not shoot for more this time

Im sure the slaves in the "work" camps would be glad to have it. They had a former guard who escaped on Dateline , he said he saw children fighting over a kernel of corn that was in a pile of cow crap because they were so hungry.

:tro: :tro: Brilliant

I saw a documentary on it. They'll eat dogs, n' something called "80 yr. old Pai-D2."

Obama will just express his disapointment and send them a sternly written letter.

America has no hope so long as Cannon Shell is not in office.

I ate dog once..it's overated

Bob from what I've read here you need to worry about being kidnapped by those N. Koreans on your next trip to China....and don't EVER tell Beth you ate dog. PLEASE though the Puddin Head looks like a nice roast. Corgi roast.

[quote=dellinger63]Bob from what I've read here you need to worry about being kidnapped by those N. Koreans on your next trip to China....and don't EVER tell Beth you ate dog. PLEASE though the Puddin Head looks like a nice roast. Corgi roast.

It wasn't intentional and I didn't know until after...the host was so proud as up North it is a real delicacy and an honor to be served it. Not cool...

WOW!!

what makes an acceptable protein has everything to do with the culture you grew up in and nothing else.

pigs and cows are culturally accepted foods here but would horrify a good portion of the world if presented on a plate. meanwhile, we judge those that eat "pets".

outside of dell chowing down the occasional liberal reporter that accidently wandered into his yard, i try not to judge.