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Kasept 07-02-2009 06:08 AM

7/4-5 (HOL): American H. (G2); American Oaks (G1); Triple Bend (G1)
 
8TH (4:30) American H. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Buenos Dias (IRE) Talamo J 113 L
2 Storm Military (ARG) Blanc B 117 L
3 Giant Gem Solis A 114 L
4 Monterey Jazz Baze T C 119 L
5 Whatsthescript (IRE) Rosario J 120 L
6 Artiste Royal (IRE) Bejarano R 118 L



8th (4:30) American Oaks Invitational S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $700,000

1 Gozzip Girl Desormeaux K J 121 L
2 Magical Affair Leparoux J R 121 L
3 Third Dawn Gomez G K 121 L
4 Apple Charlotte (GB) Smith M E 121
5 Rare Ransom (GB) Smullen P J 121
6 Puttanesca (NZ) Boss Glen 125
7 Acting Lady Bejarano R 121 L
8 Pretty Unusual Baze T C 121 L
9 Nan Nakatani C S 121 L
10 Afternoon Stroll Talamo J 121 L
11 The Best Day Ever Lanerie C J 121 L
12 Lexlenos (IRE) Solis A 121 L
13 Well Monied Rosario J 121 L
14 Mrs Kipling (IRE) Flores D R 121 L
AE Daylumney (IRE) Espinoza V 121 L
AE Wake Me Now (IRE) Sorenson D 121



10th (5:30) Triple Bend H. (G1)

7 Furlongs (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Street Magician Leparoux J R 116 L
2 Bamaha Breeze Solis A 115 L
3 Siren Lure Alvarado F T 118 L
4 Liquidity Nakatani C S 113 L
5 Rebellion (GB) Bejarano R 118 L
6 Noble Court Rosario J 121 L
7 Monterey Jazz Baze T C 121 L
8 Bet On Victor Garcia M 109 L
9 Zensational Espinoza V 111 L
10 Rush With Thunder Quinonez A 113 L
11 Paul's Hope Gomez G K 114 L
12 Silent Soul Puglisi I 114 L
13 Star Nicholas Baze M C 115 L
14 Trumpet Player Jay Gryder A T 112 L

Indian Charlie 07-02-2009 09:22 AM

Didn't the American used to be a g1?

What happened to the other two races Byk?

10 pnt move up 07-02-2009 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Didn't the American used to be a g1?

What happened to the other two races Byk?

never was a grade 1 that I can remember, the other two draw today.

Mike 07-04-2009 10:26 AM

I'm going with Monterey Jazz if he runs here

Kasept 07-04-2009 12:13 PM

Has anyone dug into the American Oaks yet? Once again a tremendously deep field and open betting affair.

Who knows what to make of the Euros and the New Zealander, but it's certainly cool to have Glen Boss come to the U.S. to ride. Not sure he's been here before??

Had Albertrani Friday to discuss Gozzip Girl who figures to sit a nice ground-saver.

Another question is where does this race move next year with Hollywood gone? In 8 years it came from nowhere to become the best turf race of its' kind (3yo fillies) in the US. Would Arington latch on to it for Million Preview Day?

Anyway... 14 tomorrow and there has to be some value to be found. And note Gary Stevens trainee on the AE list.

10 pnt move up 07-04-2009 12:31 PM

Its a lot of money in a category that has little money to begin with, I would say the American Oaks is a premier race around the world because of the money for a restricted filly race....was the most brilliant thing HP did.

It seems to me like Del Mar could have that race in 13 days and get the same field.

10 pnt move up 07-04-2009 12:34 PM

What is wrong with HP that the day before the biggest card of the meet that its 130 and they cant even have the program up to handicap with. I have no clue how you can draw Thursday and it takes till Saturday to figure out the program. Why do you have to wait for early scratches, trust us, we can figure it out.

eajinabi 07-04-2009 07:02 PM

Gary Stevens a trainer?
 
Tommorow in the American Oaks, Wake Me Now(IRE) is listed as Gary L. Stevens as the trainer. Is this Gary Stevens the former jockey or is it a Euro trainer with the same name?

hockey2315 07-04-2009 07:16 PM

Same guy

CSC 07-05-2009 08:10 AM

Finally took a quick look at the American Oaks this is a handicappers dream, a great betting race.

CSC 07-05-2009 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Has anyone dug into the American Oaks yet? Once again a tremendously deep field and open betting affair.

Who knows what to make of the Euros and the New Zealander, but it's certainly cool to have Glen Boss come to the U.S. to ride. Not sure he's been here before??

Had Albertrani Friday to discuss Gozzip Girl who figures to sit a nice ground-saver.

Another question is where does this race move next year with Hollywood gone? In 8 years it came from nowhere to become the best turf race of its' kind (3yo fillies) in the US. Would Arington latch on to it for Million Preview Day?

Anyway... 14 tomorrow and there has to be some value to be found. And note Gary Stevens trainee on the AE list.

Steve,

As a regular follower of Aussie racing I can certainly vouch in Glen Boss' riding capabilities. He's right there with Darren Beadman and Nash Rawiller as that country's best riders, it will be interesting to see if he can adapt to the smaller track at Hollywood.

hockey2315 07-05-2009 08:29 AM

I think I read on Racing Post or somewhere that Puttanesca's staying in the states with Canani after the race. I had a hard time trying to figure her out too without having much knowledge of the quality of New Zealand racing. The Weld horse seems like she has some upside and has been running against much better. He's very high on her for whatever that's worth.

Travis Stone 07-05-2009 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Another question is where does this race move next year with Hollywood gone? In 8 years it came from nowhere to become the best turf race of its' kind (3yo fillies) in the US. Would Arington latch on to it for Million Preview Day?

I would put it on Million Day if it went this route. The Beverly D. as far as I can remember isn't exactly riddled with 3YO fillies. And the American Oaks would be a nice counteract to the Secretariat.

CSC 07-05-2009 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
I think I read on Racing Post or somewhere that Puttanesca's staying in the states with Canani after the race. I had a hard time trying to figure her out too without having much knowledge of the quality of New Zealand racing. The Weld horse seems like she has some upside and has been running against much better.

I'm just looking now Hockey, the horse Boss is riding is not an Aussie horse so I can honestly say I do not recognize the quality of horses she has been racing in, what I do know is when N.Z horses ship to Rosehill, Flemington...ect...they should be respected. This one would be a complete guess to me.

Sightseek 07-05-2009 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Has anyone dug into the American Oaks yet? Once again a tremendously deep field and open betting affair.

Who knows what to make of the Euros and the New Zealander, but it's certainly cool to have Glen Boss come to the U.S. to ride. Not sure he's been here before??

Had Albertrani Friday to discuss Gozzip Girl who figures to sit a nice ground-saver.

Another question is where does this race move next year with Hollywood gone? In 8 years it came from nowhere to become the best turf race of its' kind (3yo fillies) in the US. Would Arington latch on to it for Million Preview Day?

Anyway... 14 tomorrow and there has to be some value to be found. And note Gary Stevens trainee on the AE list.

It's too bad Colonial isn't doing better because it would be a great addition to the VA Derby card and the turf course here is awesome.

DaTruth 07-05-2009 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
In 8 years it came from nowhere to become the best turf race of its' kind (3yo fillies) in the US.

What about the Queen Liz Cup at Keeneland?

brockguy 07-05-2009 04:38 PM

I think Rare Ransom could well be a nice price tonight for this. She has a much better chance than Apple Charlotte in my opinion..

hockey2315 07-05-2009 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brockguy
I think Rare Ransom could well be a nice price tonight for this. She has a much better chance than Apple Charlotte in my opinion..

I'm starting to think she's the wise guy horse. There goes any hope of double digit odds.

brockguy 07-05-2009 04:45 PM

+ Weld
+ will improve for the step up in trip
+ she's already beaten older horses
+ shes tacticly versatile

- Pat Smullen
- She prefers soft going

defo worth the bet if she's higher than the other Euro..

hockey2315 07-05-2009 04:46 PM

I like her a lot.

NTamm1215 07-05-2009 05:11 PM

Aside from the Dermot Weld and first lasix angles, which are usually overbet, I'm not seeing what there is to like about Rare Ransom. The Rooftop race just did not look very impressive and she beat a field that didn't quicken on a boggy course.

Adding a quarter of a mile to the farthest she's ever gone is also a problem in my opinion. I doubt she'll struggle with the distance in the end, but it's a concern. Her last win also came on the pace and she's not going to get the lead here.

I think, like last year, this is a B list group of imports and the Americans will hold up well.

NT

brockguy 07-05-2009 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Aside from the Dermot Weld and first lasix angles, which are usually overbet, I'm not seeing what there is to like about Rare Ransom. The Rooftop race just did not look very impressive and she beat a field that didn't quicken on a boggy course.

Adding a quarter of a mile to the farthest she's ever gone is also a problem in my opinion. I doubt she'll struggle with the distance in the end, but it's a concern. Her last win also came on the pace and she's not going to get the lead here.

I think, like last year, this is a B list group of imports and the Americans will hold up well.

NT

You could well be spot on. I was telling Bigs earlier on this week that I didnt really see either as a true G1 filly. Weld said she compared favourably to Dimitrova but I dont see it that way! I suppose it all depends how good the local team are.

eajinabi 07-05-2009 05:43 PM

Third Dawn looks like he may run a good race. Sadler takes an ambitous turn with this one but has run in the money 6 of 7 starts with his bad one was a horrible break from the gat at Keeneland. I will take a shot here.

The Bet:
$100 WP Third Dawn

Gander 07-05-2009 06:10 PM

I like Street Magician in the Triple Bend.

dalakhani 07-05-2009 06:34 PM

I like Magical Affair at 8-1. Someone tell me why that is a bad bet.

hockey2315 07-05-2009 06:35 PM

She shouldn't be 8-1.

Gander 07-05-2009 06:36 PM

Theres no bad bet in here. Good luck. If you cash in here, you'll get paid.
I'm taking a shot with Mrs Kipling, who is also a pretty fair price.

Sightseek 07-05-2009 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
I like Magical Affair at 8-1. Someone tell me why that is a bad bet.

Cause I like her too. :D

the_fat_man 07-05-2009 06:52 PM

When you see Kent ride patiently, getting in position on the turn but just sitting there, not going after the leaders because it makes no sense at that point, you wonder about all his (and other jocks') premature moves.

hockey2315 07-05-2009 06:52 PM

Nice, Julien.

10 pnt move up 07-05-2009 06:56 PM

Rosario could have grabbed a popcorn he was so far out to the outer rail.....Kent D won the race on the turn, the 2 could have been right there.

dalakhani 07-05-2009 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Nice, Julian.

LOL. Well put! Maybe the Fat Man can expound on that a little for us.

blackthroatedwind 07-05-2009 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Nice, Julian.


She couldn't have been worse than 2nd.

hockey2315 07-05-2009 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
She couldn't have been worse than 2nd.

No doubt.

NTamm1215 07-05-2009 07:01 PM

Gozzip Girl has blossomed into a nice filly. She seems to go wherever and do whatever her jockey wants.

NT

the_fat_man 07-05-2009 07:05 PM

First class headon replay by HOL. You can really dig into a race with such comprehensive video.:rolleyes:

CSC 07-05-2009 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
LOL. Well put! Maybe the Fat Man can expound on that a little for us.

I'll try, Julien made the mistake of following a tiring horse and ended running up that horse's azz. Picked the wrong horse to follow was his epitaph today.

the_fat_man 07-05-2009 07:12 PM

Seems like quite a few here went down with the 2. Too bad. Would've loved to have seen her get a clear run. Now we have to wait for next time with her to see what she's made of (well, not really).

JerseyJ 07-05-2009 07:13 PM

The race was won by Desormeaux's move into the stretch. Great ride by him to get first run in the best spot on everyone...Heady rides more often than not are the difference on the grass, case and point, Elvis Trujillo yesterday on Presious Passion, who clearly has the ability to go fast on the front end in a marathon. Rather than try and wrangle him back, he let him roll and do what he does best on the front end, and look what happens. Heady ride by Kent today to not get stuck in behind horses breaking from the rail in a 14 horse field.

dalakhani 07-05-2009 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
I'll try, Julien made the mistake of following a tiring horse and ended running up that horse's azz. Picked the wrong horse to follow was his epitaph today.

Surely he is much too smart to follow a 20-1 shot that made an early move. No?


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