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Sightseek 09-02-2009 11:08 AM

9/5 (SAR): Woodward (G1)
 
10TH (5:52) Woodward S. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000

1 Da' Tara Lezcano J 126 L (12-1)
2 Bullsbay Rose J 126 L (6-1)
3 Rachel Alexandra Borel C H 118 L (1-2)
1A Cool Coal Man Velazquez J R 126 L (12-1)
4 Macho Again Albarado R J 126 L (8-1)
5 It's a Bird Leparoux J R 126 L (10-1)
6 Asiatic Boy (ARG) Garcia Alan 126 L (10-1)
7 Past the Point Prado E S 126 L (12-1)

A-Coupled: Da' Tara and Cool Coal Man

Coach Pants 09-02-2009 11:10 AM

Neat.

Travis Stone 09-02-2009 11:22 AM

I know she's Rachel and everything but does everything think she stays as low as 1-2?

I think a lot of wise-guy handicappers are going to use this race as a chance to play against her. She's faster on paper, sure, but there's the big overhanging cloud about it being older boys not just her age etc.

boswd 09-02-2009 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
The field:

Post position (program number)

1. (1) Da' Tara - Jose Lezcano - Nick Zito - 12-1

2. (2) Bullsbay - Jeremy Rose - Graham Motion - 6-1

3. (3) Rachel Alexandra - Calvin Borel - Steve Asmussen - 1-2

4. (1A) Cool Coal Man - John Velazquez - Nick Zito - 12-1

5. (4) Macho Again - Robby Albarado - Dallas Stewart - 8-1

6. (5) It's a Bird - Julien Leparoux - Marty Wolfson - 10-1

7. (6) Asiatic Boy - Alan Garcia - Kiaran McLaughlin - 10-1

8. 7) Past the Point - Edgar Prado - Eoin Harty 15-1

Da' Tara and Cool Coal Man coupled


You're quicker then NYRA getting this up, Thanks.

3&5 EXBX

cakes44 09-02-2009 11:38 AM

I will probably go with that as well, but I still need to look at some other things first obviously. It's a Bird will likely be juiced out of his mind for this one.

boswd 09-02-2009 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I know she's Rachel and everything but does everything think she stays as low as 1-2?

I think a lot of wise-guy handicappers are going to use this race as a chance to play against her. She's faster on paper, sure, but there's the big overhanging cloud about it being older boys not just her age etc.


I agree 1-2 is a bit much, but she is being spotted 8Lbs in the process.

Now if Macho Again or Bullsbay step up and win this making them a multple GI winner are they the new star of racing?

CSC 09-02-2009 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I know she's Rachel and everything but does everything think she stays as low as 1-2?

I think a lot of wise-guy handicappers are going to use this race as a chance to play against her. She's faster on paper, sure, but there's the big overhanging cloud about it being older boys not just her age etc.

I hear you, there are no sure things in racing, but if this field was minus Rachel I don't think many would say this is allstar stellar group of older horses. Certainly not in the league of the Left Bank-Street Cry-Lido Palace-Macho Uno 2002 Whitney. I sense the tension is up that her supporters think she may not run her race, I don't know she has a good draw, she has the weight for sex advantage. If she runs her race she should win this. However 1-2 does seem low for the ML.

randallscott35 09-02-2009 11:46 AM

Da Tara surely deserves to be here after that bang up last race.

robfla 09-02-2009 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I know she's Rachel and everything but does everything think she stays as low as 1-2?

.

I think she will be LOWER than 1:2

guessing 2:5 at best.

Scav 09-02-2009 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35
Da Tara surely deserves to be here after that bang up last race.

I'm beginning to think that is all the owner and not Zito, he usually spots his horses pretty well

randallscott35 09-02-2009 12:12 PM

I would tend to agree but this spot is ridiculous.

Antitrust32 09-02-2009 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
The field:

Post position (program number)

1. (1) Da' Tara - Jose Lezcano - Nick Zito - 12-1

2. (2) Bullsbay - Jeremy Rose - Graham Motion - 6-1

3. (3) Rachel Alexandra - Calvin Borel - Steve Asmussen - 1-2

4. (1A) Cool Coal Man - John Velazquez - Nick Zito - 12-1

5. (4) Macho Again - Robby Albarado - Dallas Stewart - 8-1

6. (5) It's a Bird - Julien Leparoux - Marty Wolfson - 10-1

7. (6) Asiatic Boy - Alan Garcia - Kiaran McLaughlin - 10-1

8. 7) Past the Point - Edgar Prado - Eoin Harty 15-1

Da' Tara and Cool Coal Man coupled

Does everyone still think the Travers was such a tougher race than this still? I know there are no Invasor's in here or even Lawyer Ron's... but its a nice field for what we have out there.

I'm not going to bet but if I was it wouldnt be on Rachel.. Macho Again would probably take my cash.. and burn it. lol

I hope she wins and if she runs her race she should, but this is no gimme.

Clip-Clop 09-02-2009 12:56 PM

Wolfson's horses run big at the right time, :rolleyes: perhaps he can get it done.

SniperSB23 09-02-2009 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Does everyone still think the Travers was such a tougher race than this still? I know there are no Invasor's in here or even Lawyer Ron's... but its a nice field for what we have out there.

I'm not going to bet but if I was it wouldnt be on Rachel.. Macho Again would probably take my cash.. and burn it. lol

I hope she wins and if she runs her race she should, but this is no gimme.

I think this race is tougher than the Travers.

CSC 09-02-2009 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Does everyone still think the Travers was such a tougher race than this still? I know there are no Invasor's in here or even Lawyer Ron's... but its a nice field for what we have out there.

I'm not going to bet but if I was it wouldnt be on Rachel.. Macho Again would probably take my cash.. and burn it. lol

I hope she wins and if she runs her race she should, but this is no gimme.

Prior to the Travers, that would have been a good question to the Quality Road backers. For the record I'd take QR over these horses.

SniperSB23 09-02-2009 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
Prior to the Travers, that would have been a good question to the Quality Road backers. I'd take QR over these horses.

He fits with these horses at 9 furlongs, he wasn't ready for 10.

Alan07 09-02-2009 01:08 PM

12 races Saturday

Antitrust32 09-02-2009 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
Prior to the Travers, that would have been a good question to the Quality Road backers. I'd take QR over these horses.


I didnt understand the Quality Road buzz before the Travers. His race in the FL Derby was awesome but that was quite awhile ago now. His 6.5 furlong race was good but as it was pointed out on here by DrugS.. the final time had a lot to do with the speedy track, and the 2nd place finisher broke the track record also.


Again I didnt bet the Travers.. but your horse (Summer Bird) was the best bet, he was the most accomplished, very classy & you know he was going to love 1 1/4. & the odds were great.

Other than Summer Bird the only other option IMO would have been to chase a longshot.

I really wasnt feeling the Quality road buzz.. SB deserved that buzz more IMO.

slotdirt 09-02-2009 01:16 PM

Have to think this is just about the best the handicap division has to offer right now, no? Macho Again, Bullsbay have had half-decent seasons.

Clip-Clop 09-02-2009 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I didnt understand the Quality Road buzz before the Travers. His race in the FL Derby was awesome but that was quite awhile ago now. His 6.5 furlong race was good but as it was pointed out on here by DrugS.. the final time had a lot to do with the speedy track, and the 2nd place finisher broke the track record also.


Again I didnt bet the Travers.. but your horse (Summer Bird) was the best bet, he was the most accomplished, very classy & you know he was going to love 1 1/4. & the odds were great.

Other than Summer Bird the only other option IMO would have been to chase a longshot.

I really wasnt feeling the Quality road buzz.. SB deserved that buzz more IMO.

And won another big race on Saturday.

CSC 09-02-2009 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I didnt understand the Quality Road buzz before the Travers. His race in the FL Derby was awesome but that was quite awhile ago now. His 6.5 furlong race was good but as it was pointed out on here by DrugS.. the final time had a lot to do with the speedy track, and the 2nd place finisher broke the track record also.


Again I didnt bet the Travers.. but your horse (Summer Bird) was the best bet, he was the most accomplished, very classy & you know he was going to love 1 1/4. & the odds were great.
Other than Summer Bird the only other option IMO would have been to chase a longshot.

I really wasnt feeling the Quality road buzz.. SB deserved that buzz more IMO.

I couldn't agree more on the bolded, I posted before the race I thought QR was the only horse with enough talent to give SB a run for his money. In addition Mine That Bird was a go until they changed plans in the last minute, it would have been a very good field had all the TC series race winners decided to run in it esp with the addition of QR.

randallscott35 09-02-2009 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
I couldn't agree more on the bolded, I posted before the race I thought QR was the only horse with enough talent to give SB a run for his money. In addition Mine That Bird was a go until they changed plans in the last minute, it would have been a very good field had all the TC series race winners decided to run in it esp with the addition of QR.

I guess I missed where his odds were great. 7.80 to win? Huh.

Cannon Shell 09-02-2009 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Does everyone still think the Travers was such a tougher race than this still? I know there are no Invasor's in here or even Lawyer Ron's... but its a nice field for what we have out there.

I'm not going to bet but if I was it wouldnt be on Rachel.. Macho Again would probably take my cash.. and burn it. lol

I hope she wins and if she runs her race she should, but this is no gimme.

Summer Bird would be the clear 2nd choice in here

Gander 09-02-2009 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Summer Bird would be the clear 2nd choice in here

And again be a distant second and fill out a very small exacta, although $12 for the Haskell was like stealing money :D

Antitrust32 09-02-2009 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35
I guess I missed where his odds were great. 7.80 to win? Huh.


5/2 odds were very good IMO for Summer Bird. Especially since he was the most likely winner & easily had the most class and the distance wasnt a question.

I was at the cigar bar playing pool and watching the ESPN coverage here and there.. but I almost felt like shooting over to OBS when I saw 5/2.

Of course if I would have bet him he probably would have lost.

hockey2315 09-02-2009 01:44 PM

A redboard daily double.

Smooth Operator 09-02-2009 01:44 PM

"Graveyard of Favorites"............

Antitrust32 09-02-2009 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Summer Bird would be the clear 2nd choice in here


Maybe at 1 1/4.. I dont know about 1 1/8th..

Summer Bird was built for classic distances.

Antitrust32 09-02-2009 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
A redboard daily double.


:confused:

randallscott35 09-02-2009 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
A redboard daily double.

LOL, well said.

CSC 09-02-2009 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35
I guess I missed where his odds were great. 7.80 to win? Huh.

I was answering Antitrust's question of which field was tougher in competition and my answer to that was I thought QR was a very worthy opponent prior to the running of the Travers, I was consistent in this analysis. Anyone can say that may not be so now, esp after SB's relative easy race but prior to that race off QR's track record and his Florida Derby victory maybe one wouldn't be so sure. I wasn't referring to odds...

tector 09-02-2009 03:12 PM

You know, you don't win by just showing up.

Secretariat lost races in August and September of his 3YO season (including the Woodward, to 16-1 Prove Out). Screw your picayune analysis of which race is/was "tougher", blah blah blah. If RA wins this race, she should be HOY, conclusively, based upon a series of ambitious achievements throughout the course of the entire year--what part of Horse of the Year don't you guys understand?

There are a cluster of small-minded, self-absorbed, anal-retentive losers here who seemingly can't appreciate the remarkable even when it is dumped right under their noses. Jesus, go play fantasy football or something. Your fantasy horse racing is boring me shitless.

parsixfarms 09-02-2009 10:34 PM

While it appears that Rachel Alexandra is the most talented runner in this field, am I the one one who thinks that this morning's post draw did her no favors? With likely pace-setter Past the Point probably a dead-send from his outside post draw, and the two Zito runners drawn to her inside and immediate outside, it's conceivable that the run into the first turn could be very interesting. As a "marked" horse in this race, I can envision a trip for her somewhat similar to the one "enjoyed" by Ginger Punch in the Go For Wand here last summer. If It's a Bird runs his "A" race, and she can't get to the outside in the first 3/8 of a mile, this could really turn into quite a test for her.

Smooth Operator 09-02-2009 10:42 PM

Big boys ain't gunna let her steal this thing.


Just hope she comes out of it in one piece...

Indian Charlie 09-02-2009 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Big boys ain't gunna let her steal this thing.


Just hope she comes out of it in one piece...

Ugh.

I'm going to go sharpen my knives up now and skillfully separate each of my fingernails away from my skin.

I'll be able to take my mind off such exquisite pain by first printing out a random sampling of your posts and reading them every time I feel like crying out in agony.

parsixfarms 09-02-2009 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Big boys ain't gunna let her steal this thing.


Just hope she comes out of it in one piece...

Based on your other posts, why do I think this is insincere?

Smooth Operator 09-02-2009 10:59 PM

Wouldn't run a 3yo filly against older males...

Indian Charlie 09-02-2009 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Wouldn't run a 3yo filly against older males...

Nor would you run Zenyatta against anything greater than decent allowance fillies.

RockHardTen1985 09-02-2009 11:16 PM

It's a bird is ok. I might bet him.

letswastemoney 09-03-2009 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Wouldn't run a 3yo filly against older males...

If she's faster than them, why wouldn't you? She's a front runner, so she'll have tactical position. It's not like she has to bump her way through traffic from the back of the pack.


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