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tjfla 07-26-2010 09:20 PM

8/1 (MTH): Haskell Invitational (G1)
 
IN
Ice Box
Lookin at Lucky
First Dude
Super Saver
Afleet Again
Uptowncharleybrown
Trappe Shot
Our Dark Knight
Concord Point-- Possible

hockey2315 07-27-2010 12:57 AM

Does anybody have a prediction for what price Trappe Shot will be? This has the potential to be one of those situations that comes around very rarely.

ateamstupid 07-27-2010 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 674427)
Does anybody have a prediction for what price Trappe Shot will be? This has the potential to be one of those situations that comes around very rarely.

Because you like him or because you hate him? It's tough to predict with such a deep field, but my guess would be at least 5-2 with all of the TC horses in. Maybe as high as 4-1 if people go nuts on Lucky.

hockey2315 07-27-2010 01:36 AM

Because I like him. I think he'll be much higher than 5-2.

ateamstupid 07-27-2010 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 674430)
Because I like him. I think he'll be much higher than 5-2.

He's the buzz horse and the Beyer horse, he won't go off higher than 4-1. I thought you said he was a cripple?

hockey2315 07-27-2010 03:07 AM

He was, but it looks like they've got him back together. I think he's by far the most talented in the field and there are four triple crown winners/placers to take a ton of money.

RockHardTen1985 07-27-2010 10:10 AM

I have said for weeks only 2 horses can win the Haskell. Lucky or Trappe Shot. I agree with Joseph about the odds, I can see him being as low as 5-2 and as high as 9-2. Super Saver and Ice Box IMO are hopeless in this spot.

Danzig 07-27-2010 10:25 AM

you're not at all concerned with lucky having had an illness? i thought they said it would be close getting him here. at the price he'd be at, i fail to see a reason to choose him here.

how will this race unfold? pacesetters? will there be enough speed for the closers, ice box and afleet again? doesn't seem this will fit the bill for the two of them.

what to think of uptown, who fares well vs trappe shot in the mornings from what i've heard on the radio?

Travis Stone 07-27-2010 10:31 AM

I think the crop is ripe for a newcomer... everyone who ran in the first part of the year who is still around is not anything particularly special...

Danzig 07-27-2010 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 674496)
I think the crop is ripe for a newcomer... everyone who ran in the first part of the year who is still around is not anything particularly special...

i think so too. this crop seems pretty....bland. no standout, opportunity for a payoff by beating a favorite.

VOL JACK 07-27-2010 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 674386)
IN
Ice Box
Lookin at Lucky
First Dude
Super Saver
Afleet Again
Uptowncharleybrown
Trappe Shot
Our Dark Knight

Who is IN trained by?

Indian Charlie 07-27-2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 674489)
I have said for weeks only 2 horses can win the Haskell. Lucky or Trappe Shot. I agree with Joseph about the odds, I can see him being as low as 5-2 and as high as 9-2. Super Saver and Ice Box IMO are hopeless in this spot.

I wonder what the Super Saver and Ice Box exacta is going to pay.

Danzig 07-27-2010 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 674502)
I wonder what the Super Saver and Ice Box exacta is going to pay.

!!

tjfla 07-27-2010 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 674501)
Who is IN trained by?

Coupled entry with Ice Box-Guess he is the rabbit:D:D

VOL JACK 07-27-2010 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 674427)
Does anybody have a prediction for what price Trappe Shot will be? This has the potential to be one of those situations that comes around very rarely.

I suck at this...but here goes.

Ice Box...............................6-1
Lookin at Lucky...................3-1
First Dude............................10-1
Super Saver.........................6-1
Afleet Again..........................20-1
Uptowncharleybrown............20-1
Trappe Shot..........................5-2
Our Dark Knight....................12-1

RockHardTen1985 07-27-2010 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 674493)
you're not at all concerned with lucky having had an illness? i thought they said it would be close getting him here. at the price he'd be at, i fail to see a reason to choose him here.

how will this race unfold? pacesetters? will there be enough speed for the closers, ice box and afleet again? doesn't seem this will fit the bill for the two of them.

what to think of uptown, who fares well vs trappe shot in the mornings from what i've heard on the radio?


Of the 2 Im heavily leaning towards Lucky winning this race.

RockHardTen1985 07-27-2010 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 674508)
I suck at this...but here goes.

Ice Box...............................6-1
Lookin at Lucky...................3-1
First Dude............................10-1
Super Saver.........................6-1
Afleet Again..........................20-1
Uptowncharleybrown............20-1
Trappe Shot..........................5-2
Our Dark Knight....................12-1

NO WAY VJ. Derby winner and runner up 6-1? Trainer by Zito and Todd? NO WAY. Ice Box might be ignored a bit, but Super Saver WILL BE BET.

tjfla 07-27-2010 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 674512)
NO WAY VJ. Derby winner and runner up 6-1? Trainer by Zito and Todd? NO WAY. Ice Box might be ignored a bit, but Super Saver WILL BE BET.

Gotta agree there SS will be bet but unless a horse with early speed enters Ice Box is just gonna be forgot about

Still would be nice to get 2 more horses in this field but who knows?

RockHardTen1985 07-27-2010 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 674519)
Gotta agree there SS will be bet but unless a horse with early speed enters Ice Box is just gonna be forgot about

Still would be nice to get 2 more horses in this field but who knows?

Trappe Shot, Super Saver and First Dude all have early speed. I gotta think Our Dark Knight would be on the pace also.

Indian Charlie 07-27-2010 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 674509)
Of the 2 Im heavily leaning towards Lucky winning this race.

As if you could lean any other way.


J/K!!!

VOL JACK 07-27-2010 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 674519)
Gotta agree there SS will be bet but unless a horse with early speed enters Ice Box is just gonna be forgot about

Still would be nice to get 2 more horses in this field but who knows?

I don't think so.
Everyone know how magical Borel is at CD and, SS stunk up Pimlico.
I wouldn't surprised if the Preakness exacta is repeated here.

RockHardTen1985 07-27-2010 11:15 AM

Im saying right now, Lucky wins this race. Baffert has him ready to roll. He wins this and runs huge in the Travers, September 1st he is the clear cut leader in the 3yr old division. A division that is wide open right now.

randallscott35 07-27-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 674531)
Im saying right now, Lucky wins this race. Baffert has him ready to roll. He wins this and runs huge in the Travers, September 1st he is the clear cut leader in the 3yr old division. A division that is wide open right now.

He'll be the favorite. You aren't saying much

RockHardTen1985 07-27-2010 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 674532)
He'll be the favorite. You aren't saying much

Randy this is not a one race prediction. Its a 3yr old championship prediction, for a class/crop that is WIDE OPEN RIGHT NOW. He might be the favorite, but he might not be. If he is, it will be around 5-2 not odds on or anything like that.

Sightseek 07-27-2010 11:23 AM

You just can't fly a horse over the Rockies that often and expect to win the Haskell.

randallscott35 07-27-2010 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 674539)
Randy this is not a one race prediction. Its a 3yr old championship prediction, for a class/crop that is WIDE OPEN RIGHT NOW. He might be the favorite, but he might not be. If he is, it will be around 5-2 not odds on or anything like that.

Again you aren't saying much of anything here. But be my guest.

hockey2315 07-27-2010 11:32 AM

Trappe Shot won't be favored. Mine That Bird was just favored in the Firecracker. . . enough said.

RockHardTen1985 07-27-2010 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 674543)
Again you aren't saying much of anything here. But be my guest.

Ok Randy. This is as wide open as its ever been. 3 different triple crown winners, none of the major triple crown prep winners are even relevant right now. Sometimes I think your retarded, but then its clear you cant help yourself and do it on purpose.

PS- Do you like my Avatar? I thought out of everyone you would love it the most.

letswastemoney 07-27-2010 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 674547)
Trappe Shot won't be favored. Mine That Bird was just favored in the Firecracker. . . enough said.

I agree, they always make the Derby winner the favorite in his first race after the Triple Crown.

I can't see Super Saver going off higher than 3-1. He will take every casual dollar that's out there from people who look at the program and remember "Hey that horse won the Kentucky Derby so he must be good enough to win this race!"

randallscott35 07-27-2010 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 674551)
I agree, they always make the Derby winner the favorite in his first race after the Triple Crown.

I can't see Super Saver going off higher than 3-1. He will take every casual dollar that's out there from people who look at the program and remember "Hey that horse won the Kentucky Derby so he must be good enough to win this race!"

I can't see a way on earth LAL isn't favored. Think about it. He was the Derby fave. He was the same price as the Derby winner in the Preakness and SS ran horribly. He's a clear 2-1 or less in here at post.

RockHardTen1985 07-27-2010 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 674554)
I can't see a way on earth LAL isn't favored. Think about it. He was the Derby fave. He was the same price as the Derby winner in the Preakness and SS ran horribly. He's a clear 2-1 or less in here at post.

Without getting into the odds on everyone...

Lucky 2-1

Saver 5-2,3-1

Trappe Shot 3-1,7-2

Someone really good is ignored....
Likely Ice Box, who is hopeless anyway.

randallscott35 07-27-2010 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 674555)
Without getting into the odds on everyone...

Lucky 2-1

Saver 5-2,3-1

Trappe Shot 3-1,7-2

Someone really good is ignored....
Likely Ice Box, who is hopeless anyway.

I prefer Our Dark Knight to Ice Box, yes.

RockHardTen1985 07-27-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 674556)
I prefer Our Dark Knight to Ice Box, yes.


LOL we agree on that.

knickslions2 07-27-2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 674531)
Im saying right now, Lucky wins this race. Baffert has him ready to roll. He wins this and runs huge in the Travers, September 1st he is the clear cut leader in the 3yr old division. A division that is wide open right now.

Have to agree with you here. Lucky will beat these horses. I still think Twirling Candy is the best three year old but won't have enough races under his belt.

the_fat_man 07-27-2010 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 674564)
I still think Twirling Candy is the best three year old but won't have enough races under his belt.

Based on what: running down Macias? How about this horse actually beats something, and covers a real distance of ground first? I realize there's really nothing out there but he's not even in the discussion yet.

tjfla 07-27-2010 12:35 PM

Too make it even better it seems Concord Point is possible for the race

RockHardTen1985 07-27-2010 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 674573)
Too make it even better it seems Concord Point is possible for the race


Now he is SERIOUS. If he comes everything changes. I dont see why Bob would not send him to the Jim Dandy.

Sightseek 07-27-2010 12:37 PM

Why does everyone think Ice Box is totally hopeless? I'm unsure whether I would use him on Sunday, especially since the field hasn't even been drawn, but I don't think he is as bad as his Belmont race.

randallscott35 07-27-2010 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 674574)
Now he is SERIOUS. If he comes everything changes. I dont see why Bob would not send him to the Jim Dandy.

As a rabbit for Lucky

tjfla 07-27-2010 12:39 PM

Ya thats where I thought he was headed too but have seen 3 websites mention him as possible for the Haskell and nothing about him to the Jim Dandy


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