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Alan07 08-04-2010 02:37 PM

8/7 (DMR): Clement L. Hirsch S. (G1)
 
9th (6:15) Clement L. Hirsch S. (G1)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Princess Taylor (GB) Espinoza V 119 L
2 Made for Magic Berrio O A 121 L
3 Spring Style (IRE) Valenzuela P A 119 L
4 Dance to My Tune Flores D R 119 L
5 Zenyatta Smith M E 123 L
6 Rinterval (IRE) Bejarano R 119 L

randallscott35 08-04-2010 02:40 PM

:wf

cmorioles 08-04-2010 02:47 PM

That field is an embarrassment to the sport.

cakes44 08-04-2010 02:58 PM

2 career stakes wins for the entire field other than Zenyatta? Did I count that right? No wonder they "adjusted" her training schedule so they could fit this one in.

tiggerv 08-04-2010 03:00 PM

It's even worse than the Santa Margarita. At least she had to give 16lbs to Dance to My Tune in that race. :wf

slotdirt 08-04-2010 03:00 PM

Who?

the_fat_man 08-04-2010 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 678177)
That field is an embarrassment to the sport.

So you're in it for the sport, huh? :rolleyes:

slotdirt 08-04-2010 03:05 PM

I say this only half facetiously, but I'm pretty sure Peppers Pride could handle this group with ease.

TouchOfGrey 08-04-2010 03:07 PM

At least DelMar is giiving away pint glasses...



Antitrust32 08-04-2010 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 678171)
9th (6:15) Clement L. Hirsch S. (G1)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Princess Taylor (GB) Espinoza V 119 L
2 Made for Magic Berrio O A 121 L
3 Spring Style (IRE) Valenzuela P A 119 L
4 Dance to My Tune Flores D R 119 L
5 Zenyatta Smith M E 123 L
6 Rinterval (IRE) Bejarano R 119 L


weight for age? Was this ever a handicap? Z giving 2-4 pounds to these dogs is embarrassing.

the_fat_man 08-04-2010 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 678192)
weight for age? Was this ever a handicap? Z giving 2-4 pounds to these dogs is embarrassing.

Not embarrassing enough for ANYBODY with a filly/mare that can outrun a POODLE on POLY to ship out there and take all the money. Guess the winner's share of $300k is just not enough to get all those with qualifying horses to ship out there. I mean, clearly, Z ain't much and she's getting free rides. :rolleyes:

I realize there are a lot of idiots in this industry but surely SOMEONE has a horse that can take that easy $180k home. What's stopping them? I know if I had a filly/mare, I'd ship her out there for some of what St. Trinians got ( i.e, a long vacation).

miraja2 08-04-2010 03:38 PM

The only possible good that could remotely come from RA and Zenyatta beating up on the fields of cows they've faced recently is that perhaps their win streaks and/or dominant victories would build interest for their eventual meeting against each other.
Unfortunately for that theory, neither of them wins in that dominant of a fashion this year....and there proably won't be a meeting anyway.
The Haskell last week and the Whitney this week are infinitely more interesting than anything the supposed superstars in the sport this year attempt. They both bore me.

ateamstupid 08-04-2010 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey (Post 678191)
At least DelMar is giiving away pint glasses...



Gonna need a lot of refills in those to make this race seem interesting.

hockey2315 08-04-2010 03:50 PM

The horse Rachel beat at MTH would be 1/9 vs. this bunch w/o Z.

slotdirt 08-04-2010 04:03 PM

Is that really saying much? Anyway, whatever reasoning there was for upgrading this race from a G2 to a GI last year, it wasn't reasoning enough.

cakes44 08-04-2010 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 678204)
Not embarrassing enough for ANYBODY with a filly/mare that can outrun a POODLE on POLY to ship out there and take all the money. Guess the winner's share of $300k is just not enough to get all those with qualifying horses to ship out there. I mean, clearly, Z ain't much and she's getting free rides. :rolleyes:

I realize there are a lot of idiots in this industry but surely SOMEONE has a horse that can take that easy $180k home. What's stopping them? I know if I had a filly/mare, I'd ship her out there for some of what St. Trinians got ( i.e, a long vacation).

I get your point, but I'm surprised no one wants an easy $60k for 2nd and the grade 1 placing. Heck Zito made Andromeda's Hero(among others) a millionaire doing it in the East.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-04-2010 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 678171)
9th (6:15) Clement L. Hirsch S. (G1)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Princess Taylor (GB) Espinoza V 119 L
2 Made for Magic Berrio O A 121 L
3 Spring Style (IRE) Valenzuela P A 119 L
4 Dance to My Tune Flores D R 119 L
5 Zenyatta Smith M E 123 L
6 Rinterval (IRE) Bejarano R 119 L

Lets meet this star studded cast for another almost typical Zenyatta Grade 1 ....

#1 is Princess Taylor - she is currently on a 17 race losing streak and has never finished 1st or 2nd in eight career starts on synthetic. Winless since the year 2008, she does get a 4lbs weight break from Zenyatta

#2 is Made For Magic - she was claimed for $16,000 out of a race where she tanked in at Golden Gate less than one year. Since that time, she's risen to be a Grade 2 winner in Southern Cal. Less than 2 months ago she was beaten 21 lengths by Rachel Alexandra despite getting 7lbs in weight - she will only get 2lbs from Zenyatta. Omar Berrio will ride again.

#3 is Spring Style - She is 0-for-4 lifetime in stakes tries .. her last start was a 7th place finish at 11/1 odds in the restricted Osunitas Stakes at Del Mar less than two weeks ago. Back on short rest - and getting 4lbs from Zenyatta.

#4 is Dance To My Tune - She is a loser of 19 straight races - her last win coming in the year 2007. She was last seen running 7th in a field of 7 in the $62,000 Desert Stormer Stakes at Hollywood on June 12th. Will try and rebound off that last place here.

#5 is Zenyatta - She needs no introduction the world over ... even though she leaves California about as often as I leave Erie. Mike Smith has the call in her quest to go 18 for 18 over this star studded cast.

#6 is Rinterval - She has crossed the wire first just once in her last 20 career starts - however she has two wins in her last 20 starts. One coming at Turfway Park in a 50K stakes race, the other when she was smoked at Presque Isle Downs by Happy Wac ... however Happy Wac failed the post race drug test .. and was 3rd in a 5k N2L claiming race a few months later. Rinterval is in sharp form - she was 2nd in the Gr 3 Chicago Handicap at 33/1 odds last out behind Informed Decision.

GPK 08-04-2010 04:35 PM

Too bad Kickn N Screamin is retired. She coulda gave this group a run.

Thunder Gulch 08-04-2010 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 678222)
I get your point, but I'm surprised no one wants an easy $60k for 2nd and the grade 1 placing. Heck Zito made Andromeda's Hero(among others) a millionaire doing it in the East.

That's what I was thinking..5 years from now a yearling gets the tag "out of Grade 1 placed mare who ran second to Zenyatta"

Thunder Gulch 08-04-2010 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 678204)
Not embarrassing enough for ANYBODY with a filly/mare that can outrun a POODLE on POLY to ship out there and take all the money. Guess the winner's share of $300k is just not enough to get all those with qualifying horses to ship out there. I mean, clearly, Z ain't much and she's getting free rides. :rolleyes:

I realize there are a lot of idiots in this industry but surely SOMEONE has a horse that can take that easy $180k home. What's stopping them? I know if I had a filly/mare, I'd ship her out there for some of what St. Trinians got ( i.e, a long vacation).

Not as easy as you make it sound. Sure the competition sucks, but that trip over the Rockies is really tough.

Indian Charlie 08-04-2010 05:27 PM

Don't forget how scary the dmr surface has been to Z this meet too.

Consider it a miracle if she manages to get her footing over that track.

geeker2 08-04-2010 05:37 PM

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Handicappy 08-04-2010 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 678230)
Lets meet this star studded cast for another almost typical Zenyatta Grade 1 ....

#1 is Princess Taylor - she is currently on a 17 race losing streak and has never finished 1st or 2nd in eight career starts on synthetic. Winless since the year 2008, she does get a 4lbs weight break from Zenyatta

#2 is Made For Magic - she was claimed for $16,000 out of a race where she tanked in at Golden Gate less than one year. Since that time, she's risen to be a Grade 2 winner in Southern Cal. Less than 2 months ago she was beaten 21 lengths by Rachel Alexandra despite getting 7lbs in weight - she will only get 2lbs from Zenyatta. Omar Berrio will ride again.

#3 is Spring Style - She is 0-for-4 lifetime in stakes tries .. her last start was a 7th place finish at 11/1 odds in the restricted Osunitas Stakes at Del Mar less than two weeks ago. Back on short rest - and getting 4lbs from Zenyatta.

#4 is Dance To My Tune - She is a loser of 19 straight races - her last win coming in the year 2007. She was last seen running 7th in a field of 7 in the $62,000 Desert Stormer Stakes at Hollywood on June 12th. Will try and rebound off that last place here.

#5 is Zenyatta - She needs no introduction the world over ... even though she leaves California about as often as I leave Erie. Mike Smith has the call in her quest to go 18 for 18 over this star studded cast.

#6 is Rinterval - She has crossed the wire first just once in her last 20 career starts - however she has two wins in her last 20 starts. One coming at Turfway Park in a 50K stakes race, the other when she was smoked at Presque Isle Downs by Happy Wac ... however Happy Wac failed the post race drug test .. and was 3rd in a 5k N2L claiming race a few months later. Rinterval is in sharp form - she was 2nd in the Gr 3 Chicago Handicap at 33/1 odds last out behind Informed Decision.

You have researched this well. You've confirmed she is running against less than a steller cast. But every time Zenyatta runs it always seems to go in this direction. Now folks are comparing Zenyatta with Pepper's Pride. Soon there will be the typical shots at the connections. Blah blah blah. There are even lunatics on the blog that state that Zenyatta is "not much". If I've learned one thing on this blog it is that there are always people who just have to shoot down a horse no matter what. I am saddened that Zenyatta didn't ship out here. I still hope she may before the Breeder's Cup. I would love to see her face Rachel. But that isn't Zenyatta's fault. Zenyatta shipped to Oaklawn and Rachel backed out.
But surely someone ... ANYONE here ...... can appreciate how incredible it is for a closer to consistently do as she has for this long. And if you don't, go see her in a race. Even this one that everyone is degrading. I saw her in the Ladies Classic 1 1/2 years ago. She runs with a power and a dominance that is striking.
No knock on Rachel. She had a year for the history books last year. I will enjoy watching her here. It just isn't the same.

ateamstupid 08-04-2010 06:02 PM

Message board.

2Hot4TV 08-04-2010 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK (Post 678235)
Too bad Kickn N Screamin is retired. She coulda gave this group a run.

Priceless!

slotdirt 08-04-2010 06:09 PM

Nobody's comparing her to Pepper's Pride. However, Pepper's Pride would tower above this field.

Thunder Gulch 08-04-2010 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handicappy (Post 678270)
You have researched this well. You've confirmed she is running against less than a steller cast. But every time Zenyatta runs it always seems to go in this direction. Now folks are comparing Zenyatta with Pepper's Pride. Soon there will be the typical shots at the connections. Blah blah blah. There are even lunatics on the blog that state that Zenyatta is "not much". If I've learned one thing on this blog it is that there are always people who just have to shoot down a horse no matter what. I am saddened that Zenyatta didn't ship out here. I still hope she may before the Breeder's Cup. I would love to see her face Rachel. But that isn't Zenyatta's fault. Zenyatta shipped to Oaklawn and Rachel backed out.
But surely someone ... ANYONE here ...... can appreciate how incredible it is for a closer to consistently do as she has for this long. And if you don't, go see her in a race. Even this one that everyone is degrading. I saw her in the Ladies Classic 1 1/2 years ago. She runs with a power and a dominance that is striking.
No knock on Rachel. She had a year for the history books last year. I will enjoy watching her here. It just isn't the same.

Closer on synthetics or grass isn't the same as dirt. I keep saying she is the greatest synth runner in the 5 year history of synthetic tracks in America, but any objective person can see that many of her races are a joke.

DaTruth 08-04-2010 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 678290)
Closer on synthetics or grass isn't the same as dirt. I keep saying she is the greatest synth runner in the 5 year history of synthetic tracks in America, but any objective person can see that many of her races are a joke.

But she dances before her races. Old ladies, little kids, and even some grown men blow kisses at her in the paddock. 100 people showed up at Hot Springs International Airport when she arrived there in April. That has to count for something. She is a fan favorite, and the Mosses have done all they can to expose her to as many fans as possible.*

*At least those who happen to be SoCal.

geeker2 08-04-2010 06:56 PM

Tears are optional....

http://www.dmtc.com/racinginfo/pr/in...17handsofpower

Thunder Gulch 08-04-2010 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 678292)
But she dances before her races. Old ladies, little kids, and even some grown men blow kisses at her in the paddock. 100 people showed up at Hot Springs International Airport when she arrived there in April. That has to count for something. She is a fan favorite, and the Mosses have done all they can to expose her to as many fans as possible.*

*At least those who happen to be SoCal.

That's part of the point. The Mosses haven't tried to expose her to anyone outside of her loyal Californians. Its great for the crowd at Delmar Saturday, and its another wasted pointless effort for the sport. She could be so much more by entertaining fans around the country, but they refuse to take any chances with her perfect record. Would anyone outside of the old ladies in the paddock really rather see her face this bunch instead of having a showdown with Quality Road or Blame...I know, still banking on that one race in a few months. Meanwhile the good horses around the country are facing each other.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-04-2010 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 678236)
That's what I was thinking..5 years from now a yearling gets the tag "out of Grade 1 placed mare who ran second to Zenyatta"

That's why they should have run the San Diego Chargers cheerleaders against her instead.

DerbyCat 08-04-2010 08:24 PM

Chuck, this may be the race to have Angry Dragon try to break her maiden....


Chuck, what do you think?




Chuck?








Chuck?

Smooth Operator 08-04-2010 09:25 PM

Just another step toward doing what she was born to do … run ten long panels at The Downs…

ateamstupid 08-04-2010 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 678384)
Just another step toward doing what she was born to do … run ten long panels at The Downs…

Unfortunately those "steps" are on these stairs:


CSC 08-05-2010 08:27 AM

Paid workout, she wins by a measured length with a solid 87 Beyer. Of note Smith who won a rare race yesterday was sitting on 1 win for the Delmar meet thus far. That might be her biggest challenge.

Dahoss 08-05-2010 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 678444)
Paid workout, she wins by a measured length with a solid 87 Beyer. Of note Smith who won a rare race yesterday was sitting on 1 win for the Delmar meet thus far. That might be her biggest challenge.

Amazing the DRF hasn't snatched you up yet.

CSC 08-05-2010 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 678384)
Just another step toward doing what she was born to do … run ten long panels at The Downs…

Sheriff's will have the screws tightened SO.

CSC 08-05-2010 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 678446)
Amazing the DRF hasn't snatched you up yet.

Did I say anything that was incorrect? Smith is riding like the Eastern equivalent of Jose Lezcano and the beyer of this race will not be an overwhelming one.

Dahoss 08-05-2010 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 678448)
Did I say anything that was incorrect? Smith is riding like the Eastern equivalent of Jose Lezcano and the beyer of this race will not be an overwhelming one.

You should be paid for your insight. That is what I am saying. You missed your calling.


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