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Alan07 10-06-2010 12:14 PM

10/9 (KEE): Shadwell, Futurity, First Lady, TCA, Woodford
 
3rd (2:07) President of United Arab Emirates Cup S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $50,000

1 STOICC Castanon J L 123 L
2 OVOUR THE MOON Chavez S N 120 L
3 FULL OF FIESTA Steward K D 120 L
4 SEY SPOTTSPROOF Torres A J 123 L
5 TM SUPER BIRD Borel C H 120 LA
6 GRILLA Chiappe R 120 L
7 ALA BOUT ME Mena M 123 L
8 MOULIN ROUGE MAF Torres J L 123 L
9 SAND WITCHH Hollick W J 120 L
10 FRYSK ME NOW Unsihuay E J 123 L



6th (3:40) Woodford S. (G3)

5 1/2 Furlongs (Haggin Course) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Yankee Injunuity Baird E T 118 LA
2 Ravalo Desormeaux K J 118 LA
3 Central City Albarado R J 118 LA
4 California Flag Talamo J 120 L
5 In My Corner McKee J 118 LA
6 Chamberlain Bridge Theriot H J II 122 LA
7 Awakino Cat Dominguez R A 122 LA
8 Fiddlers Patriot Castellano J J 120 LA
9 Silver Timber Leparoux J R 124 LA
10 Due Date Farina T 118 LA
11 Atta Boy Roy Borel C H 122 L
12 Super Chunky Franklin M 118 LA
13 Great Attack Gomez G K 116 L



7th (4:10) Thoroughbred Club of America S. (G2)

6 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Hooh Why Albarado R J 122 L
2 Dr. Zic Desormeaux K J 124 LA
3 Sweet August Moon Espinoza V 122 LA
4 Ivory Empress Borel C H 118 LA
5 Champagne d'Oro Mena M 122 L
6 Informed Decision Leparoux J R 122 L
7 Waccamaw Castanon J L 118 LA
8 Dubai Majesty Theriot H J II 122 LA
9 Old Time Religion Graham J 118 L



8th (4:42) First Lady S. (G1)

1 Mile (Haggin Course) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 C. S. Silk Desormeaux K J 124 LA
2 Fantasia (GB) Leparoux J R 124 L
3 Gotta Have Her Gomez G K 124 L
4 Dynaslew Castellano J J 124 LA
5 West Hope (BRZ) Kuntzweiler G 124 LA
6 Kiss Mine Court J K 124 LA
7 Proviso (GB) Smith M E 124 LA
8 Wasted Tears Maragh R 124 LA
9 Cure for Sale (ARG) Mena M 124 LA



9th (5:13) Breeders' Futurity (G1)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Conservative Value Borel C H 121 LA
2 Santiva Castellano J J 121 LA
3 J. B.'s Thunder Bridgmohan S X 121 LA
4 Willcox Inn Gomez G K 121 LA
5 Brickyard Fast McNeil B 121 L
6 Lou Brissie Albarado R J 121 LA
7 Silver Medallion Dominguez R A 121 Blk-On LA
8 Maybesomaybenot Maragh R 121 LA
9 Rough Sailing Baze M C 121 LA
10 Major Gain Alvarado J 121 LA
11 Typhoon Slew Leparoux J R 121 LA



10th (5:45) Shadwell Turf Mile S. (G1)

1 Mile (Haggin Course) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $600,000

1 Get Stormy Castellano J J 126 LA
2 Acting Zippy Martin E M Jr 126 LA
3 Courageous Cat Valenzuela P A 126 LA
4 Gio Ponti Dominguez R A 126 L
5 Society's Chairman Leparoux J R 126 LA
6 Enriched Gomez G K 126 LA

RockHardTen1985 10-06-2010 12:16 PM

The Shadwell is really nice. How does P Val get that mount?

Sightseek 10-06-2010 12:18 PM

Nice field for the Turf Mile!


(Get Stormy :{>: )

tjfla 10-06-2010 12:20 PM

I could get used to this Win and You're In thing. Seems trainers/owners wanna get there horses in and we are getting some nice fields


What is the deal with Atta Boy Roy? Is he going to Dirt or Turf Sprint?

Indian Charlie 10-06-2010 12:21 PM

When are they going to have a grade 1 race for the dictator of Cuba?

RockHardTen1985 10-06-2010 12:25 PM

Could Proviso possibly get a better set up?
I love Get Stormy, but he has to be up against it.

Kasept 10-06-2010 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 704142)
When are they going to have a grade 1 race for the dictator of Cuba?

I not only laughed, I'll be laughing all day...




:tro:

philcski 10-06-2010 12:59 PM

I love this 5th race...


5TH (3:09)

1 1/16 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Allowance Optional Claiming ($80,000) | Purse: $53,000

Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 Tajaaweed Albarado R J 120 L
2 Big Polk a Dot Mena M 120 LA
3 Gran Estreno (ARG) Baze M C 122 $80,000 LA
4 Open Outcry Gomez G K 120 $80,000 LA
5 Desert Wheat Valenzuela P A 120 LA
6 Cherokee Artist Dominguez R A 120 $80,000 LA
7 Wealth to Me Kuntzweiler G 117 L
8 Pickapocket Bridgmohan S X 120 $80,000 LA
9 Successful Dan Leparoux J R 120 L
10 Mint Chip Graham J 117 LA

Coach Pants 10-06-2010 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 704142)
When are they going to have a grade 1 race for the dictator of Cuba?

:D

RockHardTen1985 10-06-2010 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 704160)
I love this 5th race...


5TH (3:09)

1 1/16 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Allowance Optional Claiming ($80,000) | Purse: $53,000

Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 Tajaaweed Albarado R J 120 L
2 Big Polk a Dot Mena M 120 LA
3 Gran Estreno (ARG) Baze M C 122 $80,000 LA
4 Open Outcry Gomez G K 120 $80,000 LA
5 Desert Wheat Valenzuela P A 120 LA
6 Cherokee Artist Dominguez R A 120 $80,000 LA
7 Wealth to Me Kuntzweiler G 117 L
8 Pickapocket Bridgmohan S X 120 $80,000 LA
9 Successful Dan Leparoux J R 120 L
10 Mint Chip Graham J 117 LA


Who do you like?
I thought we were trying to save till the CUP?

tjfla 10-06-2010 01:43 PM

Maybe someone with big bucks claims the #3 Gran Estreno and then pays for him to run in the BC Classic since he has a spot in it:D

How much do they have to supplement him for?

First ever 1,000 to 1 shot!!

robfla 10-06-2010 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 704173)
Maybe someone with big bucks claims the #3 Gran Estreno and then pays for him to run in the BC Classic since he has a spot in it:D

How much do they have to supplement him for?

First ever 1,000 to 1 shot!!

I'm pretty sure it's 9%, and that goes to the purse.


edit:


http://www.breederscup.com/content.aspx?id=26326

Horses that are not nominated to Breeders' Cup
If a Horse of Racing Age nomination is not paid prior to or at Pre-Entry, the horse may be supplemented to a Championship race. The total supplementary fee is 9% of the guaranteed purse if the sire was nominated to the Breeders' Cup, European Breeders' fund or the BCL/EBF Common Fund program when the horse was conceived or 15% of the guaranteed purse if the sire and horse were not nominated. One-third (1/3) of the Supplementary fee is due at pre-entry on October 25, 2010. The remaining two-thirds (2/3) is due to pass the box at the time of entry closing, November 2, 2010 as designated by the host track.

Note: Payment of supplementary pre-entry and entry fees will make a horse eligible only for a specific Breeders' Cup Championship race. Payment of such fees will not make the horse eligible to any other Breeders' Cup purse or awards program.

Refunds for Pre-Entry, Entry and Supplementary Fees
Pre-entry fees and entry fees for nominated horses are non-refundable except in the event of sickness or disability certified by the track or state veterinarian (or veterinary certification acceptable to Breeders' Cup Limited) or in the event a horse is prevented from starting by a decision of the Racing Directors/Secretaries Panel in order to limit the field of starters. The first one-third (1/3) of the supplementary fee is non-refundable except in the event a horse is prevented from starting by decision of the Racing Directors/Secretaries Panel in order to limit the field of starters. The remaining two-thirds (2/3) of this fee is non-refundable except in the event of sickness or disability certified by the track or state veterinarian (or veterinary certification acceptable to Breeders' Cup Limited) or in the event a horse is prevented from starting by a decision of the Racing Directors/Secretaries Panel in order to limit the field of starters.

Supplementary Fee Credit

Non-nominated horses that are supplementary entries will receive a credit in an amount equal to the supplementary fees paid (less that portion allocated to pre-entry and/or entry fees) in all subsequent year in which the non-nominated horses are supplementary entries in Championship races. The credit may not be utilized to reduce that portion of supplementary fees allocated to pre-entry and/or entry fees but shall be credit against the remaining portion of the supplementary fees.

eajinabi 10-06-2010 02:45 PM

G1 that is worth 50k?? I never heard of this race before and how in the heck did it get G1 status?

TitanSooner 10-06-2010 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eajinabi (Post 704194)
G1 that is worth 50k?? I never heard of this race before and how in the heck did it get G1 status?

Arabians

chucklestheclown 10-06-2010 03:33 PM

Wow. Gotta go (minus arabian race)
11/8/1,2,4,7/8,11/4
in the 5th it is 5,6,8
I may play this singling Desert Wheat.

-BT- 10-07-2010 09:55 AM

is it me or is anyone else getting a kick out of this stakes name

Abu Dhabi First Lady S. (G1)

-bt-

pucknut 10-07-2010 10:12 AM

at last the show down between the to turf female wasted vs proviso

RockHardTen1985 10-07-2010 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pucknut (Post 704518)
at last the show down between the to turf female wasted vs proviso

Wasted is way up against it with some of the other speeds. Proviso should win.

pucknut 10-07-2010 11:06 AM

i like proviso as well
but this is the match up of the two best turfers
east meets midwest

RockHardTen1985 10-08-2010 11:30 AM

Gio Ponti will be a gross underlay and worth totally tossing for me, even if its just in some small 50 cent pick 3's. 7-5 ML is silly for a grinder, cutting back for the first time in 18 months, who one could argue has lost a step.

hockey2315 10-08-2010 11:37 AM

I think he's the most likely winner, but Get Stormy can beat him. Not sure what to do w/ the Cat off the long layoff.

RockHardTen1985 10-08-2010 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 704907)
I think he's the most likely winner, but Get Stormy can beat him. Not sure what to do w/ the Cat off the long layoff.

Im using the 2 of them, equally. Tossing Gio.

Dahoss 10-08-2010 11:55 AM

Maybe Gio Ponti won't win, and I'm not crazy about the race in general. But he was awfully good at a mile last year and I like cutbacks like this. There's enough speed in there for him. I wonder how the race will be bet.

NTamm1215 10-08-2010 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 704920)
Maybe Gio Ponti won't win, and I'm not crazy about the race in general. But he was awfully good at a mile last year and I like cutbacks like this. There's enough speed in there for him. I wonder how the race will be bet.

It's also ridiculous to call him a grinder. The Fat Man can say that he won the Kilroe last year because Gomez s.hit the bed on Ventura, and that has some credibility but GP was excellent that day. The races he ran in the Man O War and Arl Million with quick 2-3 furlong bursts are ideal for the cutback. He's not running 11-12 furlongs simply because he's not a grinder. Can he beat Goldikova and other milers? Who knows but he should win tomorrow.

cakes44 10-08-2010 12:40 PM

I'm hoping Gio finds some trouble and runs 3rd, making him a square price in the BC. I like him much better as a miler than at 1 1/2. There's always going to be plenty of pace in the BC Mile.

hockey2315 10-08-2010 12:47 PM

I was talking this over with someone who has a better handle on the bloodstock side of things, and he brought up a good point. The only race that Gio can run in that will enhance his stud fee is the classic. If he were to run 3rd or something it would probably add like $5K to his fee.

blackthroatedwind 10-08-2010 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 705005)
I was talking this over with someone who has a better handle on the bloodstock side of things, and he brought up a good point. The only race that Gio can run in that will enhance his stud fee is the classic. If he were to run 3rd or something it would probably add like $5K to his fee.

Isn't that basically a given?

hockey2315 10-08-2010 01:08 PM

Ya. . . it's pretty obvious. But isn't their top choice right now the mile? Seems like a waste.

NTamm1215 10-08-2010 01:18 PM

Isn't Castleton Lyons likely to stand Gio Ponti themselves? They don't exactly have a band of signature stallions right now, though Bernstein hasn't been awful.

If they are standing him then they might just want to run him where he can win. At least they'd have a fighting chance in the Mile, the Classic...not so much. I mean, that's unless he becomes Christophe Clement's best dirt horse since Dynever.

hockey2315 10-08-2010 01:22 PM

Why wouldn't they care about the fee if they were the ones standing him?

pucknut 10-08-2010 02:07 PM

any shot wasted tears gets loose tomorrow and never looks back
footing has to be firm which is an advantage for her too and she ships well
i like proviso that toga race showed grit but maybe wasted is an EV+ play

RockHardTen1985 10-08-2010 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pucknut (Post 705070)
any shot wasted tears gets loose tomorrow and never looks back
footing has to be firm which is an advantage for her too and she ships well
i like proviso that toga race showed grit but maybe wasted is an EV+ play

Very unlikely. 1,4,5,6,9 all have speed. The 1 likes to run off sometimes. Im not even sure WT can make the early lead. The 4 is tactical enough, really does not need the lead. She is the other one Im using with Proviso.

ateamstupid 10-08-2010 04:50 PM

I really hope this is finally the day Proviso goes down in flames.

RockHardTen1985 10-08-2010 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 705149)
I really hope this is finally the day Proviso goes down in flames.

Of all days, why would this be the day? SHe is the only filly to defeat boys in a Grade 1 this year in America. What has she done wrong?

PatCummings 10-08-2010 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 705032)
Isn't Castleton Lyons likely to stand Gio Ponti themselves? They don't exactly have a band of signature stallions right now, though Bernstein hasn't been awful.

If they are standing him then they might just want to run him where he can win. At least they'd have a fighting chance in the Mile, the Classic...not so much. I mean, that's unless he becomes Christophe Clement's best dirt horse since Dynever.

This will go over like a fart in church (irony not lost...wait for it)...

But Dynever has been an incredibly successful stallion in Saudi Arabia.

ateamstupid 10-09-2010 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 705151)
Of all days, why would this be the day? SHe is the only filly to defeat boys in a Grade 1 this year in America. What has she done wrong?

She's slow. She won one of the weakest Kilroes I've ever seen and has benefited from a pitiful group of turf fillies. Ave won the Flower Bowl FFS.

the_fat_man 10-09-2010 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 704138)
The Shadwell is really nice. How does P Val get that mount?

Same way Revolta got the lead in Saturday Night Fever.

RockHardTen1985 10-09-2010 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 705304)
She's slow. She won one of the weakest Kilroes I've ever seen and has benefited from a pitiful group of turf fillies. Ave won the Flower Bowl FFS.

At least shes consistent, no? Of all of her big Grade 1's this year, she gets far and away the best on paper setup today.

ateamstupid 10-09-2010 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 705354)
At least shes consistent, no? Of all of her big Grade 1's this year, she gets far and away the best on paper setup today.

Consistently slow isn't a virtue to me.

RockHardTen1985 10-09-2010 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 705378)
Consistently slow isn't a virtue to me.

Ok Jose... But you will defend other horses to the death, even the ones who get beat all the time, but because they can run 104 beyers? Proviso is the goods, ONLY WAY SHE GETS BEAT TODAY IS WITH A BAD TRIP FROM MIKE. What was wrong with her Spinster? BC Ladies Classic? Even her G1 sprint race? Where is her bad or off day? Im really not seeing her bad race? Tell me where its at, and why you would say you hope todays the day she gets beat? The truth is, every single race she has been in, on turf, has been a slow paced race. If anything she has been totally up against it in her last 3 races, all G1's one vs males.


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