10/9 (BEL): Champagne S., Frizette S., Jamaica H. (G1's)
 

7th (4:11) Jamaica H. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Citrus Kid Espinoza J L 114 L
2 Admiral Alex Hill C 114 L
3 Beau Choix Velasquez C 116 L
4 Center Divider Cohen D 114 L
5 Turf Melody Solis A 116 L
6 Lethal Combination Garcia Alan 117 L
7 Prince Will I Am Lezcano J 114 L
8 Two Notch Road Uske S 117 L
9 Krypton Prado E S 118 L
10 Teaks North Valdivia J Jr 116 L
11 Fantastico Roberto (IRE) Velazquez J R 117 Blk-On L



8th (4:43) Frizette S. (G1)

1 Mile | Fillies | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 R Heat Lightning Velazquez J R 120 L
2 Promise Me a Cat Prado E S 120 L
3 Coax Liberty Caraballo J C 120 Blk-On L
4 Maple Forest Cohen D 120 L
5 A Z Warrior Garcia Alan 120 L
6 After Later Fragoso P 120 L
7 Tap for Luck Solis A 120 L
8 Joyful Victory Velasquez C 120 L
9 Valiant Passion Lezcano J 120 L



9th (5:15) Champagne S. (G1)

1 Mile | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

2 Meridian Magic Solis A 122 L
3 Settle for Medal Lezcano J 122 L
1 Uncle Mo Velazquez J R 122 L
4 I'm Steppin' It Up Cohen D 122 L
1A Stay Thirsty Castellano J J 122 L
5 Mountain Town Velasquez C 122 L
6 Brother in Arms Prado E S 122 L

A-Coupled: Uncle Mo and Stay Thirsty

11/1/1.

Teaks North is a pretty nice horse. . . He can't be favored, right?

Just saw that Eric made him 8-1 ML. Anyone want to give me 6-1?

Stay Thirsty was entered only as an insurance policy and, for some reason, will be trained up to the BC

Happily.

He should be training up to an allowance race

So you think he'll be near 8-1?

What don't you like about him? I know Admiral Alex will be tough, but still. . .

I haven't finished the race but it's not that I like or don't like him...I just can't imagine him being less than 6:1 ( then again, considering some here think Dos Lunas will be 15:1, maybe he will be 30:1 ).

My initial feeling is that Beau Choix ran better than he did last time, and Beau Choix in't very good, so it's hard for me to be too excited. But, honestly, I was going to finish the race later, so I don't really have an opinion right now.

From top to bottom the quality of these 3 Grade 1 races is pretty shitty.

I disagree, but ok.

If it were up to you, he'd be rested the rest of the year and brought back in an allowance at Gulfstream where Pletcher's horses run like wildebeasts...

But yeah, he should be running in an allowance compared to Graded Stakes...In fact, he could be the favorite for last in the BC Juvenile.

I'm going to bet Prince Will I Am in the Jamaica. He may ultimately want more ground but he really ran a nice race in the N1X last time out and the pace in here looks like it'll be solid.

Yeah, I ended up taking him as well.

Lubash was a possibility for the Jamaica. Would have been fun to watch him here.

On a semi related note, I cannot wait for South Park next week!

An entire episode on NJ wops!

Huh? The point that poster was making was that Stay Thirsty doesn't belong in the Juvenile, but rather in an allowance race - at least tha's how it sounded. I also never said he should run in an allowance race.

No, I think it's asinine that he's going to train up the the Juvenile off a 2 month layoff, with his last race at 7 furlongs.

I don't even think you're speaking English because what you just posted makes no sense whatsoever.

I think I am speaking fine English matter of factly. In fact I think it's idiotic they are evening running this horse in the Juvenile. I absolutely agree that he belongs in an allowance race as prep race or not he's not much horse and likely to be up the track in the Breeders Cup Juvenile.

Considering how little you want horses you like to run, that's where it makes total sense that you would probably have the horse take the winter off and return at Gulfstream, considering that may be the last time we ever see this horse run a good race after seeing Pletcher's freak jobs at Gulfstream in the winter.

is uncle mo the free square?

If the poster meant that the ALW would be a prep, then I agree. I think he's a good horse, but I think he'll be up the track without a prep. 2 months off, last race at 7 furlongs? I can't figure Todd out here, but whatever.

I'm hardly concerned that he won't turn into a good 3 year old as I'm high on him and have been since his first start.

My intention was that I don't think this horse has deserved much of the attention he's gotten so far. If his handlers and pedigree suggest he's a classic distance horse, why not take your time with him, run him in an allowance race this fall, and work him into graded stakes next year around two turns if he develops as much as they all expect him too?

Stay Thirsty would very likely run 1-2 in this race. Who are the killers going to the Juvy? He belongs right on the path he is on.

Right into the Juvenile off of the Hopeful? No thanks. I don't like it with Boys in Tosconaova and I don't get it with this horse, who hasn't shown nearly the ability that he has hype.

I'm basically praying for there to be a horse that I can be even moderately interested in for the Juvenile. I don't want any part of Uncle Mo (even if he wins by 10 on Saturday) or Boys at Tosconova.

Boys at Toscanova will be too short of a price to play on BC day, but he'll be a deserving favorite and probably the most likely winner.
He didn't break a sweat in the Hopeful, and debuted in a G3 at Churchill and ran well. He may not be a Derby horse, but the BC Juvy distance is well within his range.

I think he ran very well in the Hopeful so I disagree in terms of whatever attention he's getting. I don't think he's getting a lot - especially within his own barn - but those who like him do see him as a potential Classic horse for next year. I see no reason why ST shouldn't be pointed to the Juvy - though it makes no sense to do it without a prep unless Pletcher (a) really thinks the horse can handle it and will run well and (b) they don't want to kill him as a baby, given his pedigree.

Thanks for clarifying, though!

The path he's on is running in the Juvy without a prep race, a highly unusual move. I get that he is the 2nd stringer in his barn and I don't care that he's not running in the Champagne, but I'm sure Todd could have found another prep if he wanted to.

Some people like him, that's all and for good reason. I'm not quite sure what he's done wrong. However, where is this hype you're referring to? Uncle Mo is getting hype. Boys is getting hype. Stay Thirsty? He's not.

We'll also have Madman Diaries going in off that kind of spacing. :rolleyes:

Rich Eng today got me to look back at Jaycito's race in the Norfolk. He did exactly what his believers said he would on the stretchout, and should only move forward on the authentic main track... But as an aside, here's an interesting poll of the Juvenile winners at Churchill and the closest last start West Coast finisher..

1988: Is It True (BEL) -- Music Merci (SA) 4th, by 12L
1991: Arazi (FRA-Longchamp) -- Bertrando (SA) 2nd, by 5L
1994: Timber Country (BEL) -- Supremo (SA), 5th, by 9L
1998: Answer Lively (KEE) -- Daring General (SA) 4th, by 6L
2000: Macho Uno (WO) -- Street Cry (SA) 3rd, by 1.5L
2006: Street Sense (KEE) -- Stormello (SA) 5th, by 15L

Because he's a Bernadini, in Pletcher's barn and has a cute name, yes..he's got a load of followers who think he's the second coming.
I'm skeptical, but maybe he'll turn out to be something special.

Stay Thirsty has gotten plenty of hype on this board. You can't deny that. Something tells me if he had no connection to AP Indy you wouldn't be as high on him though.

Whatever, he'll be up the track in the Juvy with no prep IMO.

+1

First of all, I don't think he's gotten any hype on this board. Second, I don't care what you think about why I like the horse..... way to basically say that an opinion other than yours is invalid, as if the horse is crap and there's no reason for anyone to like him.

Thirdly, as much as like him and as much as I hate to agree with you, I agree with you on the last point.

I didn't say that at all. To deny he hasn't been hyped is silly. There are numerous threads about him. Everyone knows about your love of all things AP Indy.

Who said he was crap and there is no reason to like him? I don't like his chances in the Juvenile with no prep and I was less than enthused with his effort in the Hopeful.

Way to basically have a tantrum over nothing.

I agree with B@T, but UM might be a total freak show.
He is an early #1 on Joey S Derby 2011 Top 10. B@T is currently not ranked.

There are numerous threads about him? I don't see it.

Look, we can agree to disagree on his talent - that's fine. As I said, I think it's a bonehead decision on Pletcher's part to train him up to the Juvenile, so although I love the horse, I'm not exactly expecting much in the BC

I hate you.

So you have an Indian Charlie, with one maiden win at 6F, ranked #1 on your 2011 Derby Top 10?

Makes sense.

What's that supposed to mean?

:D..nothing against you or your namesake.
It's just a little premature to annoint a horse who very well may be better suited to be a sprinter/miler as a legitimate Kentucky Derby candidate off one 6F maiden win.

When was the last time a Derby winner won their debut by open lengths sprinting as a 2-year old?