Haynesfield
 

With Haynesfield putting a nice breezing half in 50. 1/5 and having top connections does he stand a shot? Not sure what to make of the JCGC and his 107 Beyer which may set him up for a bounce? He surely will not have it alone on the front end in the Classic...or will he?

As always appreciate any all comments from you all.

Scat

I would think the pace will be a little hotter then his last win. I don't see him in the top three.

Don't see him as lone speed but if they tighten up CD dirt like some past derbys, he could be tough on the lead. I see him taking some of the starch out of the pressers and close stalkers.

It's not love for me but something to like or to fatten up an exacta or tri under IMO.

No.

I hope not...wont use him anywhere on top.

He'll be in my super(s).

He's not my top choice but I can't toss him with the way he's come to hand this year. Word is he's been training great and in a Classic field this weak, you have to include the hot horse IMO.

From Mike Welsch

Work of the day:

Haynesfield (Classic, four furlongs in 50 seconds): The final time was less important than the manner in which the Jockey Club Gold Cup winner went about this easy half-mile breeze. Breaking off about two jumps from the pole rather than taking the long run up that’s common place before any nongate work, Haynesfield completed his opening eighth-mile in 13.05, and with exercise rider Cesare Chavez grabbing into him a couple of times around the turn went an opening quarter in a pedestrian 25.96. He proceeded to shade 25 seconds for the final quarter while just cruising along on his own courage and then did his best running in the gallop out from the wire to the seven-eighths pole, tugging his rider through another furlong in 12.55 while striding out smoothly and effortlessly around the bend. He has made a good appearance all week and appears to really be flourishing coming up to Breeders’ Cup Day.

That horse had more machines and wires hooked up to him yesterday than I have ever seen in my life .

I would like to know if they do this to him all the time or just started this.

What kind of machines? like therapy type stuff?

No one is talking. Trying to find that out.

Didn't you see him?

Not in my plans. There is enough speed signed on to discount IMO.

Even though he doesn't need the lead? Are you chucking Quality Road too?

Chucking is strong. Not using highly

I think Haynesfield may end up being the horse a lot of people regret dismissing so quickly. I know he had it easy last time, but he still did it like a very good horse and he doesn't need the lead. I wouldn't just automatically toss the horse who won the JCGC by open lengths without at least thinking about it for a while.

You really think Quality Road can get 10 furlongs?

You're not following. Randall's logic for pitching Haynesfield was the pace. So I asked if he was tossing Quality Road too, since people are generally higher on him and he's tactically similar. I prefer Haynesfield to Quality Road.

I'm glad I read this thread. I'm looking at Haynesfield now and starting to really like him. He had an excuse two-back when he broke through the gate, and he's getting the exact same spacing Curlin got when he won and ran arguably the best race of his life at Monmouth - race in early August, two months off and then JCGC to BC.

It depends on whether you think Quality Road needs the lead. I don't think he does.

its the same machine they strapped Drago to in Rocky III
the question is who is Rocky in this race??:zz:

He's certainly done far less rating in two-turn races than Haynesfield has.

B/c he's faster

Oh Joe, someday you'll learn. Nothing circular about that. Look to the pace thread Doug started to understand.

Don't talk down to me Rx boy. Haynesfield can't rate except when he's too slow. He'll get burned by the fast pace that he's too slow to keep up with. Quality Road can rate off the fast pace. He doesn't usually because he's too fast.

Ok, I get it now. I am only using two horses in that race, Lookin at Lucky and Blame, but it isn't one of my preferred betting races so I will be light within the race unless the day is going really really well.

Look to the pace thread Doug started to understand.

Lucky is very dangerous in this race. He can steal this off Blame and Zenyatta

look at the performance figures at chef-de-race.com
the top four are fairly evenly matched

How does that work? What do you look for?

You look at the word dosage and close the browser.

:tro:

Oh, I don't know about that.

I'd certainly like to know what dosages the trainers of these horses are going to be using.

knowledge is power
its another tool Dr Romans picked this years derby winner and has several times in the past
the higher the negative number the better the performance
check out the site its impressive

Everything on that site is worthless.

Thank you.

What do you base this on?