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Alan07 02-09-2011 02:38 PM

2/12-13 (SA): Bob Lewis, Santa Maria (G2's); La Canada (G2)
 
6th (3:07) Robert B. Lewis S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Sand) | Open | 3 Year Olds | Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Wegner R. Bejarano 118 Lbs B. Baffert - L
2 Anthony's Cross J. Rosario 118 Lbs E. Harty Blk-On L
3 Comma to the Top C. Nakatani 123 Lbs P. Miller - L
4 Tapizar G. Gomez 120 Lbs S. Asmussen - L
5 Ten Devils J. Talamo 118 Lbs R. Mandella - L
6 Riveting Reason V. Espinoza 118 Lbs M. Cho Blk-Off L
7 Quail Hill M. Pedroza 118 Lbs D. Hofmans - L
8 Thirtyfirststreet P. Valenzuela 118 Lbs D. O'Neill - L



8th (4:11) Santa Maria S. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles (Sand) | Fillies and Mares | 4 Year Olds And Up | Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 St Trinians (GB) J. Talamo 120 Lbs M. Mitchell - L
2 Vision in Gold J. Rosario 118 Lbs R. Ellis - L
3 Washington Bridge R. Bejarano 123 Lbs J. Hollendorfer - L
4 Miss Match (ARG) G. Gomez 118 Lbs N. Drysdale - L
5 Zardana (BRZ) V. Espinoza 118 Lbs J. Shirreffs - L
6 Mona de Momma A. Quinonez 118 Lbs J. Sadler - L
7 It Tiz D. Flores 118 Lbs M. Glatt - L

letswastemoney 02-10-2011 03:45 AM

Will St. Trinians handle dirt?

Alan07 02-10-2011 04:00 PM

SUNDAY 8th (4:10) La Canada S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Sand) | Fillies | 4 Year Olds | Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Fashion Trend V. Espinoza 118 Lbs C. Dollase - L
2 Harmonious J. Rosario 123 Lbs J. Shirreffs - L
3 Always a Princess M. Garcia 123 Lbs B. Baffert - L
4 Blind Luck R. Bejarano 123 Lbs J. Hollendorfer - L
5 Life Well Lived P. Valenzuela 118 Lbs E. Harty - L

my miss storm cat 02-10-2011 04:37 PM

Yeah but there's one important race that was left out of this thread...

Race 3 1:31 Surface: Dirt

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds | MAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT | Purse: $54,000

1 Grand Empire D. Flores 121 Lbs M. Pender
2 My Dividend M. Smith 121 Lbs D. Hofmans
3 Albergatti :tro: G. Gomez 121 Lbs S. Asmussen
4 Caducito M. Pedroza 121 Lbs J. Cassidy
5 Indian Knight M. Garcia 121 Lbs B. Baffert
6 Chico d'Oro J. Rosario 121 Lbs J. Sadler
7 Brannigan P. Valenzuela 121 Lbs J. Van Berg
8 Purely Awesome V. Espinoza 121 Lbs K. Walsh

I still have plenty of time to post picks so will continue trying to convince myself out of Anthony's Cross and Washington Bridge alrhough I kinda like both...

freddymo 02-10-2011 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 751129)
SUNDAY 8th (4:10) La Canada S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Sand) | Fillies | 4 Year Olds | Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Fashion Trend V. Espinoza 118 Lbs C. Dollase - L
2 Harmonious J. Rosario 123 Lbs J. Shirreffs - L
3 Always a Princess M. Garcia 123 Lbs B. Baffert - L
4 Blind Luck R. Bejarano 123 Lbs J. Hollendorfer - L
5 Life Well Lived P. Valenzuela 118 Lbs E. Harty - L

Sherriffs looking to eclipse his 84 starters for 2010 mark? 2 in one week!

knickslions2 02-10-2011 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 751150)
Yeah but there's one important race that was left out of this thread...

Race 3 1:31 Surface: Dirt

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds | MAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT | Purse: $54,000

1 Grand Empire D. Flores 121 Lbs M. Pender
2 My Dividend M. Smith 121 Lbs D. Hofmans
3 Albergatti :tro: G. Gomez 121 Lbs S. Asmussen
4 Caducito M. Pedroza 121 Lbs J. Cassidy
5 Indian Knight M. Garcia 121 Lbs B. Baffert
6 Chico d'Oro J. Rosario 121 Lbs J. Sadler
7 Brannigan P. Valenzuela 121 Lbs J. Van Berg
8 Purely Awesome V. Espinoza 121 Lbs K. Walsh

I still have plenty of time to post picks so will continue trying to convince myself out of Anthony's Cross and Washington Bridge alrhough I kinda like both...

Chico d'Oro baby

Dahoss 02-10-2011 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 750856)
Will St. Trinians handle dirt?

Good question. I think at the price she'll be, it's worth a few dollars trying to beat her. Depending on her odds, I might be a little on Mona de Momma from on or right off the pace.

RockHardTen1985 02-10-2011 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 750655)
6th (3:07) Robert B. Lewis S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Sand) | Open | 3 Year Olds | Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Wegner R. Bejarano 118 Lbs B. Baffert - L
2 Anthony's Cross J. Rosario 118 Lbs E. Harty Blk-On L
3 Comma to the Top C. Nakatani 123 Lbs P. Miller - L
4 Tapizar G. Gomez 120 Lbs S. Asmussen - L
5 Ten Devils J. Talamo 118 Lbs R. Mandella - L
6 Riveting Reason V. Espinoza 118 Lbs M. Cho Blk-Off L
7 Quail Hill M. Pedroza 118 Lbs D. Hofmans - L
8 Thirtyfirststreet P. Valenzuela 118 Lbs D. O'Neill - L



8th (4:11) Santa Maria S. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles (Sand) | Fillies and Mares | 4 Year Olds And Up | Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 St Trinians (GB) J. Talamo 120 Lbs M. Mitchell - L
2 Vision in Gold J. Rosario 118 Lbs R. Ellis - L
3 Washington Bridge R. Bejarano 123 Lbs J. Hollendorfer - L
4 Miss Match (ARG) G. Gomez 118 Lbs N. Drysdale - L
5 Zardana (BRZ) V. Espinoza 118 Lbs J. Shirreffs - L
6 Mona de Momma A. Quinonez 118 Lbs J. Sadler - L
7 It Tiz D. Flores 118 Lbs M. Glatt - L


Ill be taking a shot with Ten Devils. Im not sold on Tapizar, I do feel he is fortunate though as their does not appear to be much in his way in this spot.
St. Trinians looks pretty tough to beat IMO.

RolloTomasi 02-10-2011 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 751243)
Good question. I think at the price she'll be, it's worth a few dollars trying to beat her. Depending on her odds, I might be a little on Mona de Momma from on or right off the pace.

Last year, Mike Mitchell seemed pretty adamant about avoiding the dirt with St. Trinians.

It was the main reason he didn't consider for even a second the Apple Blossom for her, despite the prospect of a huge purse.

quote prior to the Big Cap (where she ducked Zenyatta--thanks Vic):

"...we’re going to keep her on synthetic. We would not consider the Apple Blossom ($5 million, April 9) because she’s going to stay on the synthetic.

Alan07 02-11-2011 02:15 PM

St. Trinians is 8/5? I don't see it.

my miss storm cat 02-11-2011 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 751241)
Chico d'Oro baby

We shall see.

Baby. :p

knickslions2 02-12-2011 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 751509)
We shall see.

Baby. :p

You got me. They finished 1-2

Indian Charlie 02-12-2011 05:11 PM

the Lewis sure turned out to be an interesting race.

those splits were pretty funny as well.

Left Bank 02-12-2011 05:12 PM

Insane Time!!
 
The Bob Lewis:
:19.1 :42.0 1:09.5 1:32.2 1:44.6
WOW! Tapizar cooked himself good.

Indian Charlie 02-12-2011 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Left Bank (Post 751927)
The Bob Lewis:
:19.1 :42.0 1:09.5 1:32.2 1:44.6
WOW! Tapizar cooked himself good.

Dude, tell me you didn't realize those were wrong.

They corrected the times when they called it official. 148.63.

my miss storm cat 02-12-2011 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 751917)
You got me. They finished 1-2

:)




Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 751150)
I still have plenty of time to post picks so will continue trying to convince myself out of Anthony's Cross and Washington Bridge alrhough I kinda like both...

Okay today just got a lot better and I'm really happy I left Tapizar off my exacta. :$:

Do I need to post my little win and exacta thing from TVG? :D

Left Bank 02-12-2011 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 751928)
Dude, tell me you didn't realize those were wrong.

They corrected the times when they called it official. 148.63.

I figured they were wrong.Kinda like Tampa with the birds flying and tripping the timer.Tapizar did a good job of wearing himself out though.

Indian Charlie 02-12-2011 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 751930)

Okay today just got a lot better and I'm really happy I left Tapizar off my exacta. :$:

Do I need to post my little win and exacta thing from TVG? :D

No, you need to tell us how you screwed up the bet and meant to mortgage your house on that exacta, but you tripped on the way to the bank, stunning yourself, and before you remembered what you were doing, there was not enough time to get all that money to bet on the race, so you only made 2k instead of 2 million.

RockHardTen1985 02-12-2011 08:02 PM

Tapizar is just not that good. Take a better look at the horses he lost to in the maiden races, then look at who he beat in his wins. I never got this horse. The big Cali horses both lost today, God I hope Smash is ready to run. Last I checked 4 works. He could really be the one out West.

Pedigree Ann 02-12-2011 08:11 PM

Bench Points came off the shelf and ran down Da Ruler yesterday. Now 4 for 4, two Cal-bred stakes wins. Needs to stretch out, but damside reasonably strong for it, so not a retread of Brother Derek (another by Benchmark).

RolloTomasi 02-12-2011 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann (Post 751950)
Bench Points came off the shelf and ran down Da Ruler yesterday. Now 4 for 4, two Cal-bred stakes wins. Needs to stretch out, but damside reasonably strong for it, so not a retread of Brother Derek (another by Benchmark).

Weren't all of Brother Derek's stakes wins around two turns?

RolloTomasi 02-12-2011 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 751948)
Tapizar is just not that good. Take a better look at the horses he lost to in the maiden races, then look at who he beat in his wins. I never got this horse. The big Cali horses both lost today, God I hope Smash is ready to run. Last I checked 4 works. He could really be the one out West.

"Never got" Tapizar? He was at the top of the division for all of about 2 weeks.

Both the Sham and the Robert Lewis were glorified first condition allowance races. If the fairly consistent Riveting Reason is any sort of barometer, you can pretty much right off the horses out here.

Jaycito is probably the last hope. I like the 7f comeback start (if Baffert holds to it). He may come up to the Derby slightly under-the-radar the way Real Quiet did in '98.

Indian Charlie 02-14-2011 09:37 AM

I guess people are coming back to reality with Blind Luck, no?

freddymo 02-14-2011 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 752266)
I guess people are coming back to reality with Blind Luck, no?

She is pretty good. No? How much you want to knock her for yesterday? Her first off the bench, in a 4 horse boat raise devoid of pace. Three of the 4 were decent but Blind Luck should be better in her next. Dont you think?

NTamm1215 02-14-2011 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 752266)
I guess people are coming back to reality with Blind Luck, no?

Two losses in races over a track that's notoriously difficult on closers, the 2nd of which came in a race with no pace suddenly makes her accomplishments last year non-existent?

Clip-Clop 02-14-2011 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 752266)
I guess people are coming back to reality with Blind Luck, no?

I think she is better going longer (not too many options I know), larger fields would certainly help too. The folks that bought her will likely never come back to reality, bargain of a lifetime.

RockHardTen1985 02-14-2011 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 751961)
"Never got" Tapizar? He was at the top of the division for all of about 2 weeks.

Both the Sham and the Robert Lewis were glorified first condition allowance races. If the fairly consistent Riveting Reason is any sort of barometer, you can pretty much right off the horses out here.

Jaycito is probably the last hope. I like the 7f comeback start (if Baffert holds to it). He may come up to the Derby slightly under-the-radar the way Real Quiet did in '98.

Go check out the top 12. People on this website have been hyping him since the maiden win. The real deal etc... Making future bets on him.

RockHardTen1985 02-14-2011 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 752266)
I guess people are coming back to reality with Blind Luck, no?

Shes decent, always has been. Never great.

Indian Charlie 02-14-2011 10:47 AM

I brought up Blind Luck because people were making her out to be among the better 3yo fillies of all time last year.

She is a really solid filly who was in a really awful crop of fillies.

Clip-Clop 02-14-2011 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 752278)
I brought up Blind Luck because people were making her out to be among the better 3yo fillies of all time last year.

She is a really solid filly who was in a really awful crop of fillies.

Probably had more to do with the similarities of the campaign (as compared to the avg modern horse) than her actual ability. Though I am a big supporter still.

NTamm1215 02-14-2011 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 752278)
I brought up Blind Luck because people were making her out to be among the better 3yo fillies of all time last year.

She is a really solid filly who was in a really awful crop of fillies.

The only thing I did was completely disagree with you when you said she was no better than Octave.

Indian Charlie 02-14-2011 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 752280)
The only thing I did was completely disagree with you when you said she was no better than Octave.

I was not referring to you.

However, she does look to be a lot more like Octave now, right?

Dahoss 02-14-2011 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 752300)
I was not referring to you.

However, she does look to be a lot more like Octave now, right?

I don't recall anyone comparing Blind Luck to one of the best 3 year old fillies of all time.

However, when a pretty good filly is allowed to navigate an opening 1/4 in almost 25 seconds uncontested, and a half in almost 49 seconds, in a 4 horse field, on a track that has been producing fast times for weeks now, it's obvious a closer is going to be at a disadvantage. Any closer.


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