Should the "U" get the death penalty??
 

You have read the headlines.....73 players on the dole in last decade!
What to do about sports at Miami??

sure if they want to give the rest of division one college football the death penalty also.

this happens everywhere.

I feel bad for Al Golden though... maybe he wishes he stayed at Temple U!!

They should get it, but they won't.

And I realize that there are plenty of shenanigans out there, but I'm pretty certain there are only so many schools where boosters are providing cash payments and hookers to players.

try every school in the SEC, ACC, Big East, Pac 12, Big 12, Big 10

whats the difference between hiring hookers and having big parties and supplying pretty, and easy, women?

I believe that stuff like this is widespread also but maybe not to the extent that it allegedly happened at Miami. I don't know if they should get the full penalty though because I think there has to be steps taken. I don't know exactly what penalties they've had their over the past years but I think you penalize in increments.

What's sad is that with all that supposedly happened, they didn't really gain a competitive edge on the field judging by their records and that's what the main point is in wanting this stuff stopped.

I read that when he applied for the job they never told him that they were under investigation. I bet he'll ask next time.

What hypocrisy the players just might have a few grand and some pus.sy.





Those old white guys in charge will take care of that malfeasance.

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as the university profits off these athletes millions of times over.

I'm sorry, but do people really think every single major division one program has hookers, reproductive services, and SUV's available for their players? That's a pretty uneducated opinion.

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That's stupid...of course not.



Only the top programs can afford this which is why they are among the top programs which is why when they get caught they vomit up words of ,"Oh mine Got!! We most stop this nonsense.We must put back integrity into winning at any cost."

oh yeah? buy a clue

the only uneducated comment is yours. At least I've heard my information from people who have worked in major division one football programs.

exactly... those SEC, Pac 12, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, and ACC teams fight for recruits.

They dont sign them by offering them top academic programs.

Who knows, maybe Duke boosters don't give their football players boats n hoes... but what about that basketball program?

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http://foxvzw-sports.mobile.msn.com/...fid=0&pg1=2501

Really? So you're saying that a player attending Penn State or Missouri is getting treated to hookers and other payments that should make them otherwise ineligible? I know you don't believe that, antitrust.

Clearly, there are dirty programs (Miami has always been one of them). And naturally, lots of college coaches play on the edges. But there's literally a 0.0000001 percent chance that there are many college programs out there with the "benefits" University of Miami players are alleged to have received. You really think that widespread use of hookers and blow throughout the college game would somehow not be uncovered, especially considering the scandals at USC, North Carolina, Ohio State, and now Miami over the last four to five years?

Selling a couple jerseys (AJ Green) or gold pants (tOSU) is in a whole different ballpark than what Nevin Shapiro is alleging.

I'd love to hear of the folks you know who've worked in major division one football programs. Presuming you won't name a team, what conference? Big 10? Big 12? Big East? That would make for some interesting discussion.

I remember the Notre Dame cougar who was fucl<ing recruits like there was no tomorrow. She was on their staff.....so yes, I also think all kinds of things go on.It's a case of don't ask--don't tell.I would not be surprised if the ncaa's infractions investigators don't take a piece of the action..on a here and there basis of course.

Nothing would surprise me after the Cam Newton decision last year. A guy's pops can shop his services all over the SEC, but as long as the player plays dumb, it's not a violation? Riiiiiiight.

Anyway, sincerely not saying that shady dealings don't happen everywhere, but the Miami shady dealings are infinitely more shady than 99.3 percent of most college scandals out there. On a lot of levels, it's got to be more offensive than what SMU did in the mid to late 80's to warrant the original "death penalty."

Big East... thats as far as I'll take it though.

believe me, recruits from most all big schools are supplied girls. You really think that Shapiro stopped off in Hialeah and picked up some crack whores on the side of the street for the players to run trains on? A booster that throws a party and pays strippers to party with the players doesnt just happen in South Beach.

did you read the article I posted? I think it explains it very well. "There is a Nevin Shapiro knock off on every campus"

My father says there is no way Penn State would ever be involved in stuff like that because he has a ton of respect for Joe Pa... but IMO thats just turning a blind eye because you like someone. He also thinks Phillies players didnt use steriods back in the day. Wasnt Penn State winning a ton of games back in the 80's and 90's when the cheating was as bad as its ever been?

I don't dispute that shady dealings are happening, as I said before. But come on, read the report. 72 players, Frank Haith, and other coaches all received some sort of illegal benefit from Teddy Dupay (love the pseudonym, by the way). Throwing a party and having loose sorority girls available is a lot different than renting a room for a night and paying strippers to play hide the salami.

http://sports.yahoo.com/investigatio...enefits_081611

P.S. - debatable that 4/5ths of the Big East could be considered major college football, even with Temple's departure from the league.

did you see the ESPN 30 for 30 documentary on Marcus Dupree?

that was interesting... "My son wont play for Oklahoma unless I get my double wide!!!"

http://m.deadspin.com/5422547/a-brie...ting-hostesses

http://www.startribune.com/blogs/788...L7PQLanchO7DiU

Like I said, big difference between a hostess program (read: loose college co-eds who really love their football) and rounding up a dozen girls at Bare Xposure or Delilah's (couple of Philly references for you) and paying them to do a couple recruits or players.

thats if you really believe Miami is the only place where boosters supply athletes with strippers.

But I personally believe that a university employing hostesses to get underage recruits drunk and blow them is just as bad. I highly doubt they are volunteering their time.

I moved out of PA when I turned 18 so I dont know a lot about the Philly stripper scene. I have more experience at South Florida, Daytona and Tucson Arizona strip clubs. :o Stripper boat parties are tons of fun! I would definately be joining if I was a U football player!

"But I personally believe that a university employing hostesses to get underage recruits drunk and blow them is just as bad. I highly doubt they are volunteering their time."
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I firmly believe this benefit should also be provided to overage candidates being recruited for ..other stuff, like perhaps writing bad poyems for the university.

They wouldn't even have to get me...whoa!!...I mean these recruits drunk.

Why?

All of this discussion is REALLY making me want to go back to college and be a football star............:D

Who did the U kill?? Why on earth would they be on death row? I feel bad I have had zero desire to read about this U stuff on any internets and I missed the first page here too. did it involve selling gold plated pants to an ex con for free tattoos?? Cause that's really, really bad stuff there.

.....oh, and by the way, I've been to Dejavu's several times in Nashville and I never once saw a Vandy football player in there. Very academic school that Vandy is.

Pac 10 Stanford when was the last time any of this nonsense was attributed to them?

Because one is provided by the school (the girls in Gainesville were called Gator Getters :rolleyes:) and the other is provided by the booster. Only difference.

I am 100% in Antitrust's camp on this one. It is going on to varying degrees at all major college programs as well as some of the bigger lower level programs.

Just because they haven't been caught does not mean nothing is going on.

The NCAA rules are so insane, I truly believe if you looked close enough at Stanford, you'd find violations. Surely not to the degree of what went on at the U, but the random dinner, plane ticket for an underprivilidged player, couple hundred bucks tucked into a pocket.... It's happening there too.

Good question. Let me preface this with I am definitly not a Hurricanes fan. If this is an isolated incident then there is no question they should. But if anyone believes that this is an isolated incident then they are a moron. This stuff happens everywhere. Miami just happenned to get caught.
In the last 5 years Miami has had 0 players arrested. Florida, who some people consider a clean program, had like 40 and Florida State had like 30.
Miami has rejected numerous 5 star high school players in the last 10 years because of shady backgrounds or poor academic persormance. The SEC schools couldn't sign these guys up fast enough.
The USA today published the graduation rate of all teams that made a Bowl game last year. Miami was second only to Stanford.

Back to the original question. I don't know if they deserve it or not, I do not know the criteria.

I do know the NCAA will not give them the death penalty. They saw what it did to SMU and will not do it again. Too many people in and around a football program rely on that program to make a living. Not to mention hurting the City of Miami and the surrounding area. If the NCAA were to dole out another death penalty, it hurts many more people than just the University at fault.

Back to getting away from the original question......this is just part of the sell out in microcosm.


Colleges can't get enough money and perks;neither can their athletes.

What's fair is fair.

Former three sport recruit.
All different schools recruiting for different sports. (except Miami and Georgia).
Al Golden was a high school football coach at a school I may or may not have gone to. Many of my classmates from the area and time went to Div. 1 schools for various sports.
The recruiting trips were all very similar and an awful lot of fun for 17 and 18 year old kids. RPI for hockey did not treat us to much more than dinner and a tour of the facility.
Miami takes great advantage of the location/reputation and makes sure it is a damn good time.
I feel bad for the current administration there and think a lot of this will just go away over time. UM has a lot to lose and now has a legit guy at the helm of the football program.

One should be careful when visiting the Fountain of Eweth.

Those effin globalists.