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Kasept 11-11-2011 10:46 AM

11/12-13 (HOL): Real Quiet S. & Sharp Cat S.
 
SATURDAY 8th (4:00) Real Quiet S.

1 1/16 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Senor Rain Garcia M 115 L
2 Rousing Sermon Talamo J 123 L
3 Runstevierun Valdivia J Jr 119 L
4 Tiz Point Gomez G K 117 L
5 Captain Obvious (IRE) Rosario J 117
6 Liaison Bejarano R 117 L

Kasept 11-11-2011 10:47 AM

SUNDAY 7th (3:30) Sharp Cat S.

1 1/16 Miles (All Weather Track) | Fillies | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Lady Pecan Garcia M 115 Blk-On L
2 Killer Graces Talamo J 121 L
3 Regal Betty Bejarano R 117 L
4 Willa B Awesome Pedroza M A 119 L
5 Oblivion Rosario J 119 L
6 Charm the Maker Gomez G K 117 L

Indian Charlie 11-11-2011 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 816975)
SATURDAY 8th (4:00) Real Quiet S.

1 1/16 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Senor Rain Garcia M 115 L
2 Rousing Sermon Talamo J 123 L
3 Runstevierun Valdivia J Jr 119 L
4 Tiz Point Gomez G K 117 L
5 Captain Obvious (IRE) Rosario J 117
6 Liaison Bejarano R 117 L

The six has the looks of a really serious racehorse, especially down the road.

He isn't your typical Indian Charlie, in that he lacks brilliance, but he does look like a horse that's going to relish longer distances and he seems to be a high quality runner so far.

asudevil 11-11-2011 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 817002)
The six has the looks of a really serious racehorse, especially down the road.

He isn't your typical Indian Charlie, in that he lacks brilliance, but he does look like a horse that's going to relish longer distances and he seems to be a high quality runner so far.

He has a serious turn-of-foot.

Indian Charlie 11-11-2011 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by asudevil (Post 817094)
He has a serious turn-of-foot.

Yeah, don't get me wrong by what I said, but he isn't the typical speedy/flashy type of higher quality runner that IC gets.

More like an Anthony's Cross, but with much more potential.

Dahoss 11-11-2011 04:05 PM

They should use that in his future stallion advertisement.

"Owners, send your mares to Liaison. He was like Anthony's Cross, but with much more potential."

Indian Charlie 11-11-2011 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 817098)
They should use that in his future stallion advertisement.

"Owners, send your mares to Liaison. He was like Anthony's Cross, but with much more potential."

LOL!

I think I found my new calling. I could do PR for stallions sired by IC.

hockey2315 11-11-2011 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 817099)
LOL!

I think I found my new calling. I could do PR for stallions sired by IC.

Did you have to clean yourself off after CD R8?

Indian Charlie 11-11-2011 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 817101)
Did you have to clean yourself off after CD R8?

No, but I didn't realize that horse was entered! Thanks for the heads up, I remember that horse from the 2yo sale he topped not that long ago.

Have they announced his retirement yet?

RockHardTen1985 11-11-2011 04:30 PM

For what its worth Im keying him in all multi race bets. No reasson to try beating him.

RolloTomasi 11-11-2011 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 817098)
They should use that in his future stallion advertisement.

"Owners, send your mares to Liaison. He was like Anthony's Cross, but with much more potential."

Anthony's Cross was facing much better horses in his maiden races than Liaison did, with similar results.

Baffert seems pretty light on 2yos. The spotty Drill looks to be heading down the same punishing road as Officer for failing to fire in the BC. Secret Circle appears to need a lot of work to harness his speed if he's going to be effective going longer. The Coolmore horse never came around. What happened to Gun Boat?

RolloTomasi 11-11-2011 04:39 PM

Race 5 on the Saturday HP card might have implications for the Malibu in late December at Santa Anita.

Clear, Fast Bullet, and Industry Leader all look to have some talent. Clear murdered decent Cal-bred maidens at Del Mar in his only start. Fast Bullet was well-backed in that Jimmy V. Stakes at CD last week until he was scratched at the gate. Industry Leader came undone over the winter last season at 2, but his first two races were strong and he's working like a freight train for his return.

Indian Charlie 11-11-2011 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 817105)
For what its worth Im keying him in all multi race bets. No reasson to try beating him.

I truly despise you.

RockHardTen1985 11-11-2011 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 817106)
Anthony's Cross was facing much better horses in his maiden races than Liaison did, with similar results.

Baffert seems pretty light on 2yos. The spotty Drill looks to be heading down the same punishing road as Officer for failing to fire in the BC. Secret Circle appears to need a lot of work to harness his speed if he's going to be effective going longer. The Coolmore horse never came around. What happened to Gun Boat?


Secret Circle is a potential super horse. Cant we give him an excuse for drifting out after dueling 3 way through a sub 21 quarter? Plus he was ridden hard from the gate, its not like the horse took off on the jockey. Im not sure why he was gunned so hard, but he was. 2 back he rated kindly. Its not like we have to say If Secret Circle can rate. Hes already done it. I think Drill has proven he is not much horse, and he likes the synthetic surfaces better, plus he might just be a sprinter. Other then Secret Circle and Liaison Baffert does not have much. All you need is 1 though, and I think Secret Circle might be that good.

RockHardTen1985 11-11-2011 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 817108)
I truly despise you.

No confrontations for me this time. Please keep comments like this to yourself.
Thanks in advance.

Indian Charlie 11-11-2011 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 817111)
No confrontations for me this time. Please keep comments like this to yourself.
Thanks in advance.

Ok, scum, you are right.

RolloTomasi 11-11-2011 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 817109)
Secret Circle is a potential super horse. Cant we give him an excuse for drifting out after dueling 3 way through a sub 21 quarter? Plus he was ridden hard from the gate, its not like the horse took off on the jockey. Im not sure why he was gunned so hard, but he was. 2 back he rated kindly. Its not like we have to say If Secret Circle can rate. Hes already done it. I think Drill has proven he is not much horse, and he likes the synthetic surfaces better, plus he might just be a sprinter. Other then Secret Circle and Liaison Baffert does not have much. All you need is 1 though, and I think Secret Circle might be that good.

Secret Circle was outrun early in the Oak Tree race. He was still fairly close to the lead through fractions of :21+ and :44+. When he stretches out, he almost assuredly will be on the lead. That's not to say he doesn't have any talent.

RockHardTen1985 11-11-2011 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 817114)
Secret Circle was outrun early in the Oak Tree race. He was still fairly close to the lead through fractions of :21+ and :44+. When he stretches out, he almost assuredly will be on the lead. That's not to say he doesn't have any talent.

Outrun early? Sure I guess thats 1 way to put it, even though I doubt many horses can outrun this horse at all. I thought he rated very well. Maybe Im wrong. Of course stretching out he will be on the lead, and a lot of these types dont move forward. We will have to wait and find out.

RolloTomasi 11-11-2011 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 817115)
Outrun early? Sure I guess thats 1 way to put it, even though I doubt many horses can outrun this horse at all. I thought he rated very well. Maybe Im wrong. Of course stretching out he will be on the lead, and a lot of these types dont move forward. We will have to wait and find out.

Watch the first quarter mile as the colt breaks on top, Bejarano is all over him to keep him up between horses, then Trevor calls out, "those three going out like quarter horses". The Sidney's Candy brother cleared him and Bejarano found himself in the garden spot chasing the pace, not rating.

Anyways, your talking in circles now. All I said was that the colt needs some work if he's going to stay a route of ground, as a frontrunning style isn't the ideal type for the Classics. You argue with that, yet admit that he'll likely be on the lead when he stretches out. You say he can rate kindly, and yet no horse apparently can outrun him early.

We get it. You like him. A lot of people do. But take the blinkers off. He's far from perfect.

RockHardTen1985 11-12-2011 10:49 AM

I think Baffert might have another good 2yr old Sunday in the 5th. Im actually in love.

Indian Charlie 11-12-2011 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 817301)
I think Baffert might have another good 2yr old Sunday in the 5th. Im actually in love.

The fifth is 8k claimers. I think you mean the fourth.

I've gone ahead and sent my condolences to the connections of the horse, but I'm guessing that because of the low purchase price for this Giants Causeway 2yo, they don't have huge expectations for it to either be really very good, or stay around long.

I thought you'd be all over the full to Royal Delta.

RolloTomasi 11-12-2011 03:32 PM

Speaking of that race, which will be a 5-horse maiden special weight field, I don't think I've ever seen a Dick Mandella horse with a 1:11 flat 6f breeze, let alone a first-time starter.

Curiously, the DRF write up only mentions the colt as a half to Regal Ransom. No mention of the much more accomplished half-sister, Devil May Care.

Indian Charlie 11-12-2011 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 817371)
Speaking of that race, which will be a 5-horse maiden special weight field, I don't think I've ever seen a Dick Mandella horse with a 1:11 flat 6f breeze, let alone a first-time starter.

Curiously, the DRF write up only mentions the colt as a half to Regal Ransom. No mention of the much more accomplished half-sister, Devil May Care.

No kidding man. That Mandella FTS is eye catching. It's got 2 works that are unusually fast for Mandella, the rest are pretty slow.

Did you notice the Mandella FTS in the 6th as well? Second dam was the great mare Committed.

Ok, maybe not great, but really darn good and fun to watch. Seventeen wins in thirty starts, multiple champion in Europe, etc...

RolloTomasi 11-12-2011 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 817377)
Did you notice the Mandella FTS in the 6th as well? Second dam was the great mare Committed.

Ok, maybe not great, but really darn good and fun to watch. Seventeen wins in thirty starts, multiple champion in Europe, etc...

Committed is also the 2nd dam of English Channel, sire of the Neil Drysdale horse in the same race.

I like the irony with Conjure The Spirit. He sold for a mere $10K last year. His dam is multiple stakes winner Atlantic Ocean, who sold for nearly $2 million as a 2yo-in-training.

Indian Charlie 11-12-2011 06:15 PM

That was an odd race.

RolloTomasi 11-12-2011 06:35 PM

The pace horse seemed to be getting out the whole way, or at least on both turns.

The winner obviously still has some improving to do. He kind of won this the way Coil won the Affirmed--got it done, but perhaps a bit below expectations. Rousing Sermon couldn't handle claimer Ruler Of Dubai at Del Mar, though to be fair he probably prefers two-turns.

The Cashcall Futurity should be another 14-horse slugfest, with some undeserving nag being crowned a Grade 1 winner with a free pass to Churchill Downs. They should call it the Cashcall Jackpot.

Indian Charlie 11-12-2011 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 817399)
The pace horse seemed to be getting out the whole way, or at least on both turns.

The winner obviously still has some improving to do. He kind of won this the way Coil won the Affirmed--got it done, but perhaps a bit below expectations. Rousing Sermon couldn't handle claimer Ruler Of Dubai at Del Mar, though to be fair he probably prefers two-turns.

The Cashcall Futurity should be another 14-horse slugfest, with some undeserving nag being crowned a Grade 1 winner with a free pass to Churchill Downs. They should call it the Cashcall Jackpot.

He was either really green, didn't dig the pace, or didn't like the track. He ran really spotty, and even Bray noticed he was under urging early on.

Then he got green in deep stretch.

RolloTomasi 11-12-2011 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 817414)
He was either really green, didn't dig the pace, or didn't like the track. He ran really spotty, and even Bray noticed he was under urging early on.

Then he got green in deep stretch.

Wouldn't be surprised if they get special permission to remove the blinkers for the next one.

All the signs suggests he simply wants to sit back and make one run. Hopefully, they don't foul him up trying to make him into something he isn't. He'd be a nice complement to the speedier Drill and Secret Circle in the West Coast preps.

Indian Charlie 11-12-2011 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 817420)
Wouldn't be surprised if they get special permission to remove the blinkers for the next one.

All the signs suggests he simply wants to sit back and make one run. Hopefully, they don't foul him up trying to make him into something he isn't. He'd be a nice complement to the speedier Drill and Secret Circle in the West Coast preps.

After the race, Baffert said he lacks the usual brilliance typical in IC offspring. I'm going to guess with that statement and performance, he will lay further back.

Then again, he may have lost in this instance with that dawdling pace.

RolloTomasi 11-12-2011 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 817426)
Then again, he may have lost in this instance with that dawdling pace.

If he had any of the talent that he hints at, he wouldn't have. That was a terrible field. Rousing Sermon settled in the back and would have won by open lengths if the Baffert horse wasn't in there.

Dahoss 11-13-2011 10:28 AM

Any inside word from Baffert? I live for that stuff.

hoovesupsideyourhead 11-13-2011 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 817525)
Any inside word from Baffert? I live for that stuff.

:tro:


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