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Kasept 02-12-2012 03:28 PM

Romans benched a week for NY bute positive
 
http://www.drf.com/news/aqueduct-rom...azone-positive

Trainer Dale Romans was to begin serving a seven-day suspension Monday as a result of one of his horses testing positive for phenylbutazone, a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory, following a race last November at Aqueduct.

The suspension was reduced from 10 days for Romans waiving his right of appeal. Romans also was fined $1,000 by the New York State Racing and Wagering Board.

Romans, who has horses based in New York and Florida, said Sunday he was not planning on running anything this week at either Aqueduct or Gulfstream Park.

Calzone Lord 02-12-2012 04:29 PM

Romans won the award for best put-over in 2011 with Sassy Image.




Sassy Image should have been about 500/1 odds on the Kentucky Derby day undercard in the Humana Distaff. She opened at like 9/1 and went off 16/1 on the biggest betting day of the year.

She had some corrective throat surgery during the layoff before the Humana Distaff...and was being bet heavily into the wildly superior Hilda's Passion.

Whoever the vet was who did her surgery should have got an eclipse.

Romans winning the Breeders Cup Mile with Court Vision over Goldikova and Gio Ponti at Churchill later in the year was like a perfectly logical outcome compared to that pig Sassy Image being transformed into the top female sprinter in the land overnight.

asudevil 02-12-2012 04:56 PM

Good work, Doug. Classic!

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-12-2012 05:17 PM

the horse got gout from him..then cured it..

RolloTomasi 02-12-2012 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 838256)
Romans won the award for best put-over in 2011 with Sassy Image.

Sassy Image should have been about 500/1 odds on the Kentucky Derby day undercard in the Humana Distaff. She opened at like 9/1 and went off 16/1 on the biggest betting day of the year.

She had some corrective throat surgery during the layoff before the Humana Distaff...and was being bet heavily into the wildly superior Hilda's Passion.

Whoever the vet was who did her surgery should have got an eclipse.

Romans winning the Breeders Cup Mile with Court Vision over Goldikova and Gio Ponti at Churchill later in the year was like a perfectly logical outcome compared to that pig Sassy Image being transformed into the top female sprinter in the land overnight.

I think you're dressing it up a little too much as a miracle. Isn't Sassy Image like 5 for 6 at Churchill Downs? She was a multiple graded stakes winner at 2. She is a multiple stakes winning router, which often is an advantage on the cutback to 7f. If one could justify drawing a line through the Sabin (not sure if the breathing issue was reported before the race), then she certainly wasn't impossible. Having missed the vast majority of her 3yo season you would have had to also ignore her Beyer numbers. The allowance comeback would have supported the assumption that she progressed from 2 to 3 (to 4) the same way a normal stakes-caliber horse would.

You would have had to have faith to bet her, but you certainly didn't need divine intervention.

blackthroatedwind 02-12-2012 05:35 PM

Sassy's Image was the only horse Dale ran that weekend that he didn't even particularly like.

Some putover.

Calzone Lord 02-12-2012 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 838293)
Sassy's Image was the only horse Dale ran that weekend that he didn't even particularly like.

Some putover.

Who was betting her if that's the case?

She opened up second choice in the betting in a race where she looked pathetic on paper.

Calzone Lord 02-12-2012 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 838288)
I think you're dressing it up a little too much as a miracle. Isn't Sassy Image like 5 for 6 at Churchill Downs? She was a multiple graded stakes winner at 2. She is a multiple stakes winning router, which often is an advantage on the cutback to 7f. If one could justify drawing a line through the Sabin (not sure if the breathing issue was reported before the race), then she certainly wasn't impossible. Having missed the vast majority of her 3yo season you would have had to also ignore her Beyer numbers. The allowance comeback would have supported the assumption that she progressed from 2 to 3 (to 4) the same way a normal stakes-caliber horse would.

You would have had to have faith to bet her, but you certainly didn't need divine intervention.

Sassy Image was a complete and utter bum before her magic form reversal in the Humana Distaff.

One of the luckiest breaks I got all year is that I did not bring my Internet card with my laptop to the track that day ... because I would have lost every dollar betting against Sassy Image in the betting exchange that day ... and probably tossed my laptop across the clubhouse.

I remember someone came over to me after that race and told me they bet on Sassy Image and showed me a ticket and I was mad enough to choke them.

blackthroatedwind 02-12-2012 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 838307)
Who was betting her if that's the case?

She opened up second choice in the betting in a race where she looked pathetic on paper.

Wow, she opened up second choice when 5% of the pool was in. Call the FBI.

blackthroatedwind 02-12-2012 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 838309)
Sassy Image was a complete and utter bum before her magic form reversal in the Humana Distaff. Hilda's Passion just beat her by half a pole and the rest of the horses in that race where all better than her.

One of the luckiest breaks I got all year is that I did not bring my Internet card with my laptop to the track that day ... because I would have lost every dollar betting against Sassy Image in the betting exchange that day ... and probably tossed my laptop across the clubhouse.

I remember someone came over to me after that race and told me they bet on Sassy Image and showed me a ticket and I was mad enough to choke them.

I made a huge bet on her in her previous start against Hilda's Passion. She was MUCH better than you are pretending.

By the way, was Hilda's Passion a bit of a form reversal....or does she get a pass from you as it might interupt your little story?

Calzone Lord 02-12-2012 06:11 PM

Whatever.

She sucked until her throat surgery...there was no published reports of her throat surgery...she was bet... and she did make a gigantic form reversal. Those are all facts.

You're friends with Romans and his son, cool. I shouldn't have said "putover" I suppose. I'm sure Romans proabably wasn't the one betting her because Court Vision had a better chance going into the Mile on paper.

Rootdog1 02-12-2012 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 838316)
Whatever.

She sucked until her throat surgery...there was no published reports of her throat surgery...she was bet... and she did make a gigantic form reversal. Those are all facts.

You're friends with Romans and his son, cool. I shouldn't have said "putover" I suppose. I'm sure Romans proabably wasn't the one betting her because Court Vision had a better chance going into the Mile on paper.

What he says is true. Romans was not super high on Sassy THAT day. He did say she was much better after the procedure. I hit the pk4 breeders cup because he said the old man would run big in the turf. He is not shy on giving his opinion. He is not always correct, as he missed on Shack yesterday. Dale is one of the good guys.

blackthroatedwind 02-12-2012 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 838316)
Whatever.

She sucked until her throat surgery...there was no published reports of her throat surgery...she was bet... and she did make a gigantic form reversal. Those are all facts.

You're friends with Romans and his son, cool. I shouldn't have said "putover" I suppose. I'm sure Romans proabably wasn't the one betting her because Court Vision had a better chance going into the Mile on paper.

This is pathetic.

RolloTomasi 02-12-2012 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 838309)
Sassy Image was a complete and utter bum before her magic form reversal in the Humana Distaff.

How do you know? She had made all of 2 starts in the previous 15 months.

Quote:

One of the luckiest breaks I got all year is that I did not bring my Internet card with my laptop to the track that day ... because I would have lost every dollar betting against Sassy Image in the betting exchange that day ... and probably tossed my laptop across the clubhouse.

I remember someone came over to me after that race and told me they bet on Sassy Image and showed me a ticket and I was mad enough to choke them.
Seems to me like you're failing to recognize that in retrospect, Sassy Image made some sense in that race, at least as a contender. She won 2 subsequent stakes following that "miracle". She was injured in the Ballerina, just as she apparently was in the Sabin earlier in the year, and in the Davona Dale in 2010. Draw a line through all those races and how does her form look?

I'm not suggesting you or anyone else should have had her on race day, but with all the subsequent information, Sassy Image turned out to be a good example of the limitations of past performances. I wouldn't doubt there were some astute people at the track who took a gamble that she was better than the Sabin suggested.

Instead of pretending that Romans put one over on everyone, just admit that your handicap of the race was botched and bring a red pen along with your laptop next time.

Calzone Lord 02-12-2012 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 838327)
Instead of pretending that Romans put one over on everyone, just admit that your handicap of the race was botched and bring a red pen along with your laptop next time.

Uh huh.

Her dirt form with Pletcher:




What Sassy Image looked like coming into this race....she stalked a pace that was slow on everyones pace figures and still backed up.




Amen Halliuja had just crushed Sassy's Image by double digit lengths in two of her last three races. Sassy's Image is shorter than her in the betting at one point in a race with a $2 million + plus WPS pool.

Tidal Pool (for the most overbet human connections possible at Churchill) is longer than SI at one point in the betting.




Evening Jewel was beaten a nose in the KY Oaks over the track and came into the race in good form. She's longer at one point.

But yeah. Sassy Image just made so much sense. She hadn't run a Beyer higher than 89 in her career... She hadn't won a race in a year and a half. She just got drowned by 14 lengths stalking a slow pace. How did she not figure to win this Grade 1 by open lengths?

Calzone Lord 02-12-2012 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 838326)
This is pathetic.

I'm glad you think so.

RolloTomasi 02-12-2012 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 838331)

What Sassy Image looked like coming into this race....she stalked a pace that was slow on everyones pace figures and still backed up.

You're being disingenuous here. We're supposed to be looking at this retrospectively. Obviously one would gather from the fucl<ing 11 month layoff between Feb '10 and Jan '11 that something was amiss with Sassy Image. Are you really taking the Davona Dale at face value?

As for the Sabin, even if we don't know about the wind issue, at the very least, the fact that she was sent to press the front end was atypical of all her previous starts (including her comeback just a month prior). One could suggest that the change of tactics completely backfired, and therefore the race could be tossed. The fact that she was entered in a Grade 1 off the Sabin strengthens that notion.

Quote:

But yeah. Sassy Image just made so much sense. She hadn't run a Beyer higher than 89 in her career... She hadn't won a race in a year and a half. She just got drowned by 14 lengths stalking a slow pace. How did she not figure to win this Grade 1 by open lengths?
Again, you're being disingenuous. She hadn't won a race in a year because she hadn't run in a race in a fucl<ing year. You know that young horses mature, strengthen, progess, develop, etc. so who gives a sh!t about her 2yo Beyers? If she doesn't have races in her PPs that illustrate this progression then obviously one's hands are tied. But again, Romans saw fit to run her in a Grade 1 off 2 comeback races.

You simply don't want to read between the lines. Or maybe you're just not much handicapper right now.

Try some throat surgery.

Calzone Lord 02-12-2012 07:33 PM

Disingenuous?

You're right. I was being disingenuous all along.

I realized she was slow (everyone else in the fields last race was open lengths faster than her career top) and I realized she hadn't won a race in a year and a half...and I love horses who enter Grade 1's off of layoffs.

Didn't bother me at all... because I read between the lines.

This is a picture of the money I made from betting Sassy Image...I needed to carry it back in bags.



I laid some of it out on my bed...




Tiger Woods fist pump!




I threw a party that night where I invited no one but my laptops and it got out of hand.




Sassy Image!, baby!

Again. She sucked until her throat surgery...there was no published reports of her throat surgery...she was bet... and she did make a gigantic form reversal. Those are all facts. All that race did was sink me in multi-win bets where I singled the 2nd place. I can't say I'm not bitter about it ... but it is what it is.

RolloTomasi 02-12-2012 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 838351)
Sassy Image!, baby!

Again. She sucked until her throat surgery...there was no published reports of her throat surgery...she was bet... and she did make a gigantic form reversal. Those are all facts. All that race did was sink me in multi-win bets where I singled the 2nd place. I can't say I'm not bitter about it ... but it is what it is.

Glad I could be the springboard for more of your megalomania.

I think you're presuming too much about the all important throat surgery. Dale Romans called it "minor". It probably was only significant as it pertains to her Sabin performance.

I highly doubt she won several stakes as a 2yo with a major airway problem.

Using strictly Beyers, off a near year layoff, she ran an 89 when her previous best was a 79. It's not unreasonable to believe she could continue to improve from that starting point. Unfortunately, she didn't have any races between March and May to prove the point. Hence the 16-1 odds.

But whatever, trying to reason it logically sucks compared to arrogant, pig-headed paranoia.

Let's move on to Case 2 and the titanic form reversal of the since deflated Flat Out in last year's Suburban.

Do you think they secretly untwisted a testicle or something? That would hold me back.

Calzone Lord 02-12-2012 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 838353)
Let's move on to Case 2 and the titanic form reversal of the since deflated Flat Out in last year's Suburban.

Do you think they secretly untwisted a testicle or something? That would hold me back.

They did work on his feet.

He had a similar three race magic form reversal before he started to tail off.

Calzone Lord 02-12-2012 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 838353)
Glad I could be the springboard for more of your megalomania.

No problem. I'm glad you could help.

Check your PM's though.

Sightseek 02-12-2012 08:14 PM

Best thread we've had in a long time!

Calzone Lord 02-12-2012 10:39 PM

Thursday at Saratoga VS Kenucky Derby undercard.

Sassy Image pays $34.20 to win. A 5-to-1 shot wins the next race and the double pays $474.60 (the parlay is $191)

Aikenite wins the next and pays $28.60. The double with the same 5/1 winner to him pays $164.80 (the parlay is $160)

Pick 4:

$5.40 favorite
$22.60
$8.80
$34.20 (Sassy Image)

That pays $14,416.00

Sassy Image was hammered in the WPS pool in relation to gimmicks. Considering the WPS pool was over $2 million someone bet her.

Dahoss 02-12-2012 10:44 PM

I can't believe you didn't reimburse the microphone money, considering you're swimming in C-Notes a la Warran T.

Calzone Lord 02-12-2012 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 838376)
I can't believe you didn't reimburse the microphone money, considering you're swimming in C-Notes a la Warran T.

I lay them out on my bed and give them war speeches sometimes.

That's how true Megalomaniac's roll.

Dahoss 02-12-2012 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 838377)
I lay them out on my bed and give them war speeches sometimes.

That's how true Megalomaniac's roll.

I like to lay out $2 bills I have been collecting over the years and swim in them like Scrooge McDuck.

Calzone Lord 02-12-2012 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 838378)
I like to lay out $2 bills I have been collecting over the years and swim in them like Scrooge McDuck.

Sweet!

My Meglomaniacness started at birth. I was an authority of all things looooong before I posted my way to Meglomaniac greatness.


I wasn't "delivered" in a traditional manner at birth -- rather, I JUMPED out of the womb, on my way to doing a motherfucl<ing 360 rim-wrecker up in the doctor's fucl<ing face, and in doing so, impressing the nurse* to no end with my mad game, making it a simple matter to get those panties off, and drop the hammer with my erect-since-birth instrument of female-bliss.

From that moment on, I knew I was destined for internet greatness.


* - OK...so she was a little chunky. I was young, cut me some fucl<ing slack

VOL JACK 02-13-2012 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 838377)
I lay them out on my bed and give them war speeches sometimes.

That's how true Megalomaniac's roll.

Did you really have them pay you cash for the BC Pick 4 score?

I guess a pic of a check would have been a lot less cool.
Make it rain Dougie..:$::$:

trackrat59 02-13-2012 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 838359)
Best thread we've had in a long time!

Agreed. Other than the pic of sweet little Jewel.

richard 02-13-2012 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 838288)
I think you're dressing it up a little too much as a miracle. Isn't Sassy Image like 5 for 6 at Churchill Downs ?

You would have had to have faith to bet her, but you certainly didn't need divine intervention.

And she does well first off a layoff. The Humana fit that.

cmorioles 02-13-2012 05:55 PM

Longshots are always overbet on big days...Derby, BC...I guess that covers all the big days. Wasn't she the longest shot in the field?

Calzone Lord 02-13-2012 06:11 PM

By post time she was.

Tidal Pool was the second longest horse in the race at 13/1 for the always overbet combo (in flat wagers) of Calvin Borel and DWL.






Sassy Image certainly proved herself easily the best female dirt sprinter alive on this day ... after entering off of a layoff, not having won a race at any level in a year and a half, and never having run a Beyer higher than 89.

I don't think any female sprinter from the last few years had a chance with her on that day. I know multiple people have told me Romans bet her -- but that's not the point and I don't really care if he did. She took insider money that day, that much is obvious. She wasn't being bet on the strength of her recent form. She wasn't bet in most gimmicks in relation to how she was flat.

Dahoss 02-13-2012 06:23 PM

If you could somehow work Randy Moss or a TVG contest into this thread it might be the best thread ever.

Calzone Lord 02-13-2012 06:40 PM

If Randy Moss had a surgery -- the press who covers the NFL would report about it...because they have a habit of doing their job.

TVG contests don't exist anymore.

RockHardTen1985 02-13-2012 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 838351)
Disingenuous?

You're right. I was being disingenuous all along.

I realized she was slow (everyone else in the fields last race was open lengths faster than her career top) and I realized she hadn't won a race in a year and a half...and I love horses who enter Grade 1's off of layoffs.

Didn't bother me at all... because I read between the lines.

This is a picture of the money I made from betting Sassy Image...I needed to carry it back in bags.



I laid some of it out on my bed...




Tiger Woods fist pump!




I threw a party that night where I invited no one but my laptops and it got out of hand.




Sassy Image!, baby!

Again. She sucked until her throat surgery...there was no published reports of her throat surgery...she was bet... and she did make a gigantic form reversal. Those are all facts. All that race did was sink me in multi-win bets where I singled the 2nd place. I can't say I'm not bitter about it ... but it is what it is.


lol

Dahoss 02-13-2012 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 838495)
If Randy Moss had a surgery -- the press who covers the NFL would report about it...because they have a habit of doing their job.

TVG contests don't exist anymore.

Not bad, not bad at all.

You know I'm just busting balls and I wholeheartedly agree about the horse racing media in general. Not all, but most are piss poor to be nice. Things like these surgeries should absolutely be reported on.

But, I think you're exaggerating a bit on some things here. Sassy's Image wasn't easy to have, but she also wasn't as impossible as you are making her seem. I didn't bet her, but if you were taking a shot Hilda's Passion would not replicate her Gulfstream races, she was a viable candidate.

Calzone Lord 02-13-2012 07:20 PM

Every article that was written about the Humana Distaff -- including DRF and Bloodhorse didn't mention a single word about her.

DRF did a 7-minute handicapping video on the Humana Distaff... and the two handicappers went over every other horse in the race except her. They even spent over a minute talking about the Sunland Park invader. Not one word about Sassy Image in the 7-minute video ... and no knock on them .. because there was nothing to say other than "why is she entered here?" It was a rare Grade 1 for female sprinters ... and she didn't have a top four finish in a stakes race anywhere in a year and a half.

RockHardTen1985 02-13-2012 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 838513)
Every article that was written about the Humana Distaff -- including DRF and Bloodhorse didn't mention a single word about her.

DRF did a 7-minute handicapping video on the Humana Distaff... and the two handicappers went over every other horse in the race except her. They even spent over a minute talking about the Sunland Park invader. Not one word about Sassy Image in the 7-minute video ... and no knock on them .. because there was nothing to say other than "why is she entered here?" It was a rare Grade 1 for female sprinters ... and she didn't have a top four finish in a stakes race anywhere in a year and a half.


I agree on this 1. Vs that company, with her form and the layoff she had no right winning that race. I dont think your going over the top at all. The 89 top beyer says it all, dont we all love beyers around here?

Dahoss 02-13-2012 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 838513)
Every article that was written about the Humana Distaff -- including DRF and Bloodhorse didn't mention a single word about her.

DRF did a 7-minute handicapping video on the Humana Distaff... and the two handicappers went over every other horse in the race except her. They even spent over a minute talking about the Sunland Park invader. Not one word about Sassy Image in the 7-minute video ... and no knock on them .. because there was nothing to say other than "why is she entered here?" It was a rare Grade 1 for female sprinters ... and she didn't have a top four finish in a stakes race anywhere in a year and a half.

She missed a year. You keep ignoring it, but it's important.

Again, not easy to have, but I don't think she was impossible.

When I think of putover, I think of Pretty Boy Freud on the Travers undercard. Who ironically also had an unreported surgery prior to the race.


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