If you could add one more BC race.....
 

......not sure if this topic comes up every year at this time....but I thought I would ask anyways.

If you could add one more race to the BC card, what would it be?

If I could add one more race to the BC card, it would be a mile on the dirt. It would be great for so many of the 'tweeners'.

Other candidates: Turf Sprint, Filly & Mare Sprint

Any other ideas?

I'm kind of happy with it. The problem with categories like Turf sprint & F&M sprint is that the talent just isnt there in those divisions, and people just wouldnt enjoy it. I mean, do Malibu Mint or The Nth Degree deserve to be BC champions? A dirt mile wouldnt be bad, but it would probably water down the sprint & classic, and I dont think we need three open company dirt races at 6, 8, & 10 furlongs.

No doubt that I would want one of those GRAY PRIDE races.LOL..No,just kid'n ya, Calder..........I would like to see a 7f- 1 mile race on dirt.

Copy that,Scuds!

do kelly's landing or suave deserve to be BC champions? no, but they get a shot too.

i would disagree that malibu mint would not be worthy of being a BC champ. It wouldn't be likely in a race full of boys, but she's shown she's worth it on more than one occasion. I would imagine that most here would assume that Dubai Escapade would be worthy of a BC championship -- so by proxy Malibu Mint would be too.

Bless her, I hope she pulls the upset.

I wouldn't change a thing.

Although it would be nice to see racing secretaries get creative with the undercard. Maybe have a race for gray mares only and a geldings only race.

Brian, by the same token IF Suave were to win the Classic, at least he would be beating talented horses - Dini, Drift, Lava, Invasor, etc, same with Kelly's over Henny, War Front, Bordonaro, etc.

Lets say Dubai Escapade were to become a F&M Sprint Champion. What great competition would she face in that race outside of Malibu Mint, and I really use the term 'great' loosely when applying it to Malibu. There just arent enough good F&M Sprinters, or turf sprinters, to merit running a 1000k race for them. It would be just like watching a rerun of the same cast that ran in the Princess Rooney. One of the greatest things about the BC IMO is that it brings together horses who have been battling in Grade 1's across the country and sometimes internationally and who havent beating up on one another over and over. A F&M Turf Division just isnt deep enough to have quality horses who havent faced one another several times previously.

Ive said it before. but dont add anything.
eliminate the BCJF.
run colts and geldings against fillies and do it at 1 mile.
the 8.5f distance is a tweener distance and has no place in a BC event.
I know its never going to happen, but that would be ideal.

if you want to add something, add a Juvenle Turf race or 9f 3YO race.

forget about the Dirt Mile unless you are going to lengthen the BC Distaff to 10f.

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I posed this question a couple of weeks back. I think they should add a Filly and mare sprint, and a fillie and mare mile. There's enough talent in boths diuvisions to field viable races in those fields IMO.

I'd like to see 2 races. A turf sprint. And a Flat mile on dirt which is the one they definitely need.

FILLY & MARE SPRINT

...horses like Xtra Heat, Honest Lady, Hallowed Dreams, Duai Escapade, Madcap Escapade, etc. should have the opportunity to be BC champs IMO....

Good call Joel. I was going to say just a flat dirt mile but you could def make a case for a filly and mare sprint.

3 out of 8 races are exclusively for f and ms already. You are proposing five of ten races? Leave everything alone. I think adding the F&M Turf was a good thing. I used to think a dirt mile would be a good idea, but now believe, as others have posted here, that it would water down the Classic and Sprint. F & Ms have had multiple winners of the Sprint, Mile, and Turf. I don't think they need anymore special treatment than they already have

I'd like to see a mile on the dirt.

A mile dirt race would kill the Classic, not a good idea in my opinion.

You think so? There are some really nice dirt milers that just can't get the classic distance. It'd be good for them, I think.

I think a one-turn mile would be a decent addition, but for BC tracks that host the event that don't have a one-turn mile - the west coast tracks - then yes, it would hurt the Classic. On the other hand, while a one-turn mile race would be intriguing, it would likely hurt the Sprint more.....


I couldn't see them ever adding this....

Yeah, makes sense...

I didn't think about it hurting the sprint, but you're probably right.

I would probably add a weiner dog race. Like they have at Los al.

BC has all the bases covered.

There is already an option for these horses...the Cigar Mile. A dirt mile would kill the Cigar Mile. The BC has already screwed up the importance of most of the old traditional races. A BC dirt mile would leave Aqueduct with only one G 1, the Wood, for their entire 6 month season.

The Bid is my new favorite person. I am currently scouting the next weiner dog winner.

They should have a turf sprint, now that 5f on the lawn has become a staple in alot of condition books.....

The BC is the BC... let me guess, you'd rather not have it at all, right?

It has to be a Breeders' Cup Stayers event over a distance between 2m and 2 and a half miles. Preferably the latter as 2m would probably be too similar to the BCT.

Stayers are woefully uncatered for in the US, no wonder the breeding industry is increasingly demanding speed, speed, speed. And, it would at least be one race Europe would win every year!

LOL! I couldn't agree more. They breed for speed and I believe it's hurting the breed in the long run. It'd be a fantastic idea for American breeders to buy up the European mares bred to go long in order to add some distance capability in our stock.

I'd vote for a F&M sprint, maybe I'm biased because Xtra Heat was one of my all time favorites but there's a very good group of F&M sprinters every year who are just a few steps behind the boys that also deserve to be called a BC Champion.

And to answer the person who said should more than 3 races be restricted to F&M's? I think the answer is a resounding Yes- the best comparison i can give in the human competitive world is Olympic skiing, there is an OCCASIONAL female skier as fast as the men but generally they're a few tenths of a second slower at the comparative level. The same thing applies in racing- at each class, the boys are 5-6 lengths faster on average than the fillies. It really isn't fair to the fairer sex to make up that physiologic differential.

I love the BC, but I don't like what it has done to races that no longer hold the same clout they did prior to the BC's advent in '84. Other than the TC, horse racing is now geared to one day.

I agree with you on this, but it is what it is, unfortunately.

You answered your own question. No American horses would end up in that race.

Hold a stayers event on the dirt and some decent American slow boats would run in it. I'm thinking of horses in the mould of Dynever.

Andromeda's Hero comes to mind, I still think he would have beat AA if the Belmont was 2 miles...LOL

A four horse match race, there I said it, yes a final race on the card top two horses from Europe and US square off !!! 1 1/2 Mile $4 million purse.

let’s see Bernardini, Lava Man, George Washington, and David Junior ??

On dirt or turf? LOL

that's a fair assessment in most regards -- but it really does place a premium on competition. so if we have a really weak handicap division one year, should the winner not be a BC champ because they aren't beating anything?

does this year's BCJF winner deserve to be a BC champ? it's sure as hell shaping up as a big "NO." If you suggest that we need depth to create merit for a BC champ, then we should by all means deny the winners of the depth-less races the title of BC champ.

sound problematic? sure should.

i get what you're saying -- though both arguments have holes in them that are impossible to plug up reasonably. cunningham racing brings it up too -- why shouldn't xtra heat, madcap escapade, etc etc been BC champions? i would argue that they deserve it -- like i would argue that dubai escapade or malibu mint deserve it -- the former has won some races brilliantly, and the latter has shown up at all the dances and done a pretty darn great job in them, winning some when she wasn't supposed to and losing some when compromised.

half dirt, half turf ... lol

Now that would be interesting!!! :eek:

mos def a turf sprint
or a f & m sprint

gee,
why dont we just card a BC race to fit each and every horse's best abilities.

I notice Siren Lure is better at 7f, as opposed to 6f.
so lets just have the TVG BC Sprint at 6f, and the Aldeberan BC Sprint at 7f.
same for Showing Up.
hed rather run 9f than a flat mile.
so run the BC Mile at 8f and the Beat Hollow BC race at 9f.

this is ridiculous.

we dont need a BC Sprint race for fillies.
if they are good enough, they will beat the boys.
hell, they have done it plently of times in the past in the BC Sprint.

and forget about a BC Mile race, unless you are going to lengthen the BC Distaff to 10f.
if you are a 1 turn dirt horse, then there is the BC Sprint.
if you are a 2 turn dirt horse, then there is the BC Classic.

this is just stupid.
part of being a CHAMPION(and thats what we consider BC winners to be) is winning no matter what the circumstances.

carding BC races to meet each and every horse's needs is just stupid.



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