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Kasept 01-06-2020 05:21 AM

1/25 (GP): Pegasus ~ UPDATE: Omaha Beach out..
 
$3 million PEGASUS WORLD CUP

To be run Saturday as race 12 of 12
Post time: 5:45 p.m. Eastern
TV: NBC (4:30-6)
For 4-year-olds and up at 1 1/8 miles

(PP, Horse, Jockey, GP M/L)

1. TRUE TIMBER, J.Bravo, 20-1
2. TAX, J.Ortiz, 12-1
3. DIAMOND OOPS, J.Leparoux, 20-1
4. SEEKING THE SOUL, J.Velazquez, 30-1
5. OMAHA BEACH, M.Smith, 7-5
6. HIGHER POWER, F.Prat, 6-1
7. WAR STORY, J.Rosario, 30-1
8. MR FREEZE, L.Saez, 30-1
9. SPUN TO RUN, J.Castellano, 7-2
10. MUCHO GUSTO, I.OrtizJr., 9-2
11. TENFOLD, T.Gaffalione, 30-1
12. BODEXPRESS, E.Jaramillo, 30-1



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$1 million PEGASUS WORLD CUP TURF

Race 11 of 12
Post time, 5:15
For 4-year-olds and up at 1 3/16 miles (turf)

(PP, Horse, Jockey, GP M/L)

1. ZULU ALPHA, T.Gaffalione, 12-1
2. ARKLOW, L.Saez, 6-1
3. WITHOUT PAROLE, F.Dettori, 4-1
4. SADLER’S JOY, J.Castellano, 8-1
5. CHANNEL CAT, J.Velazquez, 10-1
6. INSTILLED REGARD, I.OrtizJr., 10-1
7. ADMISSION OFFICE, F.Prat, 30-1
8. HENLEY’S JOY, J.Leparoux, 30-1
9. NEXT SHARES, J.ValdiviaJr., 30-1
10. MO FORZA, J.Rosario, 5-1
11. SACRED LIFE, J.Ortiz, 12-1
12. MAGIC WAND, R.Moore, 7-2
13 (AE). TUSK, no rider, 30-1


Dahoss 01-06-2020 07:58 AM

Unfortunate the West’s would rather run in Saudi Arabia than the Pegasus against a real challenger.

They must need the money :rolleyes:

senator L 01-06-2020 09:24 AM

Competitive turf race...interesting to
see Starship Jubilee take a shot

knickslions2 01-06-2020 09:52 AM

Looking at that Pegasus field Maximum Security would have been tough to beat there as main speed. Turf race looks fun.

blackthroatedwind 01-06-2020 11:15 AM

I've seen the future, and it's not too inspiring.

Dahoss 01-06-2020 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1133825)
Looking at that Pegasus field Maximum Security would have been tough to beat there as main speed. Turf race looks fun.

Too bad they were afraid of Omaha Beach

moses 01-06-2020 05:26 PM

How do they come up with the invite list? Was Performer excluded or do the connections have no interest running in the Pegasus?

freddymo 01-06-2020 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1133823)
Unfortunate the West’s would rather run in Saudi Arabia than the Pegasus against a real challenger.

They must need the money :rolleyes:

They have no children and are VERY charitable people. Maybe Servis wants the easy cake? It's a lot of easy money and Saudi is beautiful this time of year

freddymo 01-06-2020 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moses (Post 1133841)
How do they come up with the invite list? Was Performer excluded or do the connections have no interest running in the Pegasus?

Shug said Carter on steves show

moses 01-06-2020 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1133845)
Shug said Carter on steves show

Cool, thanks. I didn’t catch that one.

Dahoss 01-07-2020 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1133844)
They have no children and are VERY charitable people. Maybe Servis wants the easy cake? It's a lot of easy money and Saudi is beautiful this time of year

Kind of easy to be charitable when you’re a billionaire, no? Not that it has anything to do with my post.

They’ve been VERY careful with him since the Derby, protecting him, running him in spots where he can’t lose (but did.)

I guess the fan in me would rather see them take on a legitimate contender than run in Saudi Arabia against no one, but I’m crazy that way.

moses 01-07-2020 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1133847)
Kind of easy to be charitable when you’re a billionaire, no? Not that it has anything to do with my post.

They’ve been VERY careful with him since the Derby, protecting him, running him in spots where he can’t lose (but did.)

I guess the fan in me would rather see them take on a legitimate contender than run in Saudi Arabia against no one, but I’m crazy that way.

Looking at the horses with that race as a possibility, aren’t McKinzie and Gift Box both better than Omaha Beach? Unless you’re talking about a horse other than OB in the Pegasus.

That said, I really would have liked to see Omaha Beach and Maximum Security face off.

freddymo 01-07-2020 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1133847)
Kind of easy to be charitable when you’re a billionaire, no? Not that it has anything to do with my post.

They’ve been VERY careful with him since the Derby, protecting him, running him in spots where he can’t lose (but did.)

I guess the fan in me would rather see them take on a legitimate contender than run in Saudi Arabia against no one, but I’m crazy that way.

They are giving away their entire net worth. I would love to see the horse stay in States and race here, and who the hell wants to support a race that is sure to alienate the handicap division for us further? West seems to be a complicated guy many love him and many not so much...takes all types

knickslions2 01-07-2020 01:18 PM

I think everyone would love to see Omaha Beach and Maximum Security race and hopefully it happens. I don't think MS is ducking OB. Why would he have to? Its all about money. Its always about money.

cakes44 01-07-2020 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1133853)
I think everyone would love to see Omaha Beach and Maximum Security race and hopefully it happens. I don't think MS is ducking OB. Why would he have to? Its all about money. Its always about money.

Hopefully it happens? This is Omaha Beach's last race.

knickslions2 01-07-2020 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1133855)
Hopefully it happens? This is Omaha Beach's last race.

Well I missed that. Too bad

Dahoss 01-07-2020 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moses (Post 1133848)
Looking at the horses with that race as a possibility, aren’t McKinzie and Gift Box both better than Omaha Beach? Unless you’re talking about a horse other than OB in the Pegasus.

That said, I really would have liked to see Omaha Beach and Maximum Security face off.

McKinzie would need every bit of Baffert magic to be close to Omaha Beach IMO and Gift Box couldn’t warm him up.

Dahoss 01-07-2020 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1133849)
They are giving away their entire net worth. I would love to see the horse stay in States and race here, and who the hell wants to support a race that is sure to alienate the handicap division for us further? West seems to be a complicated guy many love him and many not so much...takes all types

So what is your point other than the usual straddle both sides of the fence? Do you have one?

Dahoss 01-07-2020 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1133853)
I think everyone would love to see Omaha Beach and Maximum Security race and hopefully it happens. I don't think MS is ducking OB. Why would he have to? Its all about money. Its always about money.

Why did they duck the Preakness, Belmont, Travers, etc?

The West’s are billionaires. Money isn’t their motivation IMO. They certainly wouldn’t have run him for 16k if it was.

freddymo 01-07-2020 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1133858)
So what is your point other than the usual straddle both sides of the fence? Do you have one?

The guy is a polarizing figure, a jerk that pisses a community off and a guy who does wonderful things for the community. Who the heck would want to go to Saudi other than a trainer looking for a huge payday or guy who is still pissed his 16 claimer didn't win the derby

moses 01-07-2020 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1133857)
McKinzie would need every bit of Baffert magic to be close to Omaha Beach IMO and Gift Box couldn’t warm him up.

All the speed figures I’ve looked at indicate that Omaha Beach is a notch below both of them.

Dahoss 01-07-2020 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1133860)
The guy is a polarizing figure, a jerk that pisses a community off and a guy who does wonderful things for the community. Who the heck would want to go to Saudi other than a trainer looking for a huge payday or guy who is still pissed his 16 claimer didn't win the derby

I don’t think it’s Servis looking for a big payday but maybe

Kasept 01-08-2020 04:41 AM

With Bravazo heading to Hot Springs for a campaign towards the Oaklawn H., they're down to these 11 assuming Magic Wand runs on the 'turf' which Horse Racing Ireland indicated Tuesday..

1. Omaha Beach
2. Higher Power
3. Mr Freeze
4. Roadster
5. Seeking the Soul
6. Spun to Run
7. Tax
8. Mucho Gusto
9. War Story
10. Diamond Oops
11. True Timber

Magic Wand

blackthroatedwind 01-08-2020 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1133860)
The guy is a polarizing figure, a jerk that pisses a community off and a guy who does wonderful things for the community. Who the heck would want to go to Saudi other than a trainer looking for a huge payday or guy who is still pissed his 16 claimer didn't win the derby

Isn't it reasonable to guess that Coolmore, who just bought in, is playing a role in him going to the Saudi race?

It didn't sound like a breeding only deal, more like they bought a half interest, but I could be wrong.

As for West....polarizing jerk? I've never heard him described as a jerk. For that matter, polarizing either. What do you know that I don't? I don't know him at all.

Kasept 01-08-2020 06:00 PM

Gary & Mart West have channeled $223,000,000 into their foundation, so far..

West Health Foundation: https://www.westhealth.org/successful-aging/


knickslions2 01-08-2020 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1133887)
Gary & Mart West have channeled $223,000,000 into their foundation, so far..

West Health Foundation: https://www.westhealth.org/successful-aging/


That’s pretty impressive.

Dahoss 01-08-2020 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1133883)
Isn't it reasonable to guess that Coolmore, who just bought in, is playing a role in him going to the Saudi race?

It didn't sound like a breeding only deal, more like they bought a half interest, but I could be wrong.

As for West....polarizing jerk? I've never heard him described as a jerk. For that matter, polarizing either. What do you know that I don't? I don't know him at all.

He definitely acted like a jerk in the days and weeks following the Derby.

I get it, but that was a bad look.

Dahoss 01-08-2020 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1133887)
Gary & Mart West have channeled $223,000,000 into their foundation, so far..

West Health Foundation: https://www.westhealth.org/successful-aging/


What kind of tax break do you think they get for this?

Kasept 01-08-2020 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1133890)
What kind of tax break do you think they get for this?

Here's a website about foundation establishment and giving that provides insight to the social and personal benefits: https://www.foundationsource.com/lea...te-foundation/

Dahoss 01-08-2020 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1133893)
Here's a website about foundation establishment and giving that provides insight to the social and personal benefits: https://www.foundationsource.com/lea...te-foundation/

:D

It was rhetorical but I have a feeling you knew that ;)

SchexNola 01-10-2020 07:41 AM

Tom's Detat
 
Invited last year and runs and this year he wins the G1 Clark and doesn't get an invite....Explain that one.

blackthroatedwind 01-10-2020 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SchexNola (Post 1133913)
Invited last year and runs and this year he wins the G1 Clark and doesn't get an invite....Explain that one.

He's not interested in running, thus an invite wasn't necessary. It's not like a 6YOs birthday party where everyone in the class gets invited. They essentially "invite" horses that are interested in coming. I'm sure if Tom's D'Etat was interested in running, he could have cracked that list of superstars.

philcski 01-12-2020 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1133887)
Gary & Mart West have channeled $223,000,000 into their foundation, so far..

West Health Foundation: https://www.westhealth.org/successful-aging/


That's a giant number, I knew what their charity was but no idea of the scale. My father has written a lot of grant requests to them for elder care initiatives in NYS.


I don't know anything about the guy otherwise.

Kasept 01-13-2020 07:06 AM

Tenfold, Midcourt and Bodexpress added Sunday to the formal list of invitees.

Diamond Oops, True Timber and War Story moved up into the main body of the race.

Kasept 01-13-2020 07:25 AM

As of today..

1. Omaha Beach
2. Higher Power
3. Mr Freeze
4. Seeking the Soul
5. Spun to Run
6. Tax
7. War Story
8. Diamond Oops
9. True Timber
10. Tenfold
11. Midcourt
12. Bodexpress

And Turf as of today..

1. Arklow
2. Magic Wand
3. Henley's Joy
4. Next Shares
5. Sadler's Joy
6. Channel Cat
7. Instilled Regard
8. Mo Forza
9. Without Parole
10. Zulu Alpha
11. Sacred Life
12. Admission Office

New Reserve invitees: Synchrony, Tusk, American Tattoo.

goodcopy 01-13-2020 07:56 PM

No Chad Brown in turf?
 
No Sister Charlie,Uni or Bricks and Morter?:confused:

King Glorious 01-13-2020 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1133847)
Kind of easy to be charitable when you’re a billionaire, no? Not that it has anything to do with my post.

They’ve been VERY careful with him since the Derby, protecting him, running him in spots where he can’t lose (but did.)

I guess the fan in me would rather see them take on a legitimate contender than run in Saudi Arabia against no one, but I’m crazy that way.

Well, when I asked the question before “do fans deserve any consideration?”, you answered no. So why go questioning the motives of owners here?

blackthroatedwind 01-13-2020 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 1134036)
Well, when I asked the question before “do fans deserve any consideration?”, you answered no. So why go questioning the motives of owners here?

Dahoss doesn't need me to defend him, but you are twisting his comments. When did he demand they should run him somewhere because the "fan" in him wishes they would? He never denied fans have a right to wish for things.

But you knew all that.

King Glorious 01-14-2020 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1134037)
Dahoss doesn't need me to defend him, but you are twisting his comments. When did he demand they should run him somewhere because the "fan" in him wishes they would? He never denied fans have a right to wish for things.

But you knew all that.

When did I demand it? I don’t have the right to demand it. I only said what I wished for and what I thought would be best for the sport from a fan’s perspective. I don’t see the difference here.

Dahoss 01-14-2020 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 1134036)
Well, when I asked the question before “do fans deserve any consideration?”, you answered no. So why go questioning the motives of owners here?

We’re talking about two different things.

Your desire for Bricks and Mortar to run in the Classic (on a surface he’d never run on and a surface his trainer didn’t think he could stand up on) and my opinion that the West’s/Servis are protecting Maximum Security by avoiding real competition on a track he’s 3 for 3 on are very different things.

It’s like the Zenyatta thing we discussed in that thread. I think the Moss’s did the sport a disservice protecting Zenyatta like they did but at the end of the day hard to argue with the results. IMO Maximum Security is being coddled, but it’s worked so far.


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