Two at Toga - 2021 edition
 

This is basically the same thing that DaHoss does. Fictional $2 win/place on two horses each day. One is my "best bet" and the other is my "best value," typically a horse with morning line odds around 5/1 or higher. I'm getting started on this late but we'll see whether I can turn a profit for the remainder of the meet.

Wednesday, July 21

Rain is in the forecast for tomorrow so I'll check back tomorrow morning but I wanted to get this posted so that I'd actually commit myself to starting it this week.

What do you mean by "Best Bet" ?

I often get confused by this as to some "Best Bet" is their most likely to win which most times isn't a good bet at all but valuable as a single...

Who needs a best bet ? Stupid concept. 2 price hosses is such a better way to go. Who needs a place bet on some low priced hoss ? Copying a guy who doesn’t break even is not the way to fly , Mo.

Since it’s so easy, you should give it a shot. Let’s put it this way, if you’re able to show a profit doing it, I’ll leave the board forever.

I struggle with this honestly. Some times it is a horse that I just don’t think can lose (no value) and some times it is a horse that I think has a great chance to win but is overlooked. I’m not sure I’ve actually figured it out myself what “best bet” means.

Maybe I’ll have to give that more thought.

In spyders similar contest, I walked the walk if you remember.

I hit .629 in Little League...

The contest that you got cancelled because you were so annoying? I thought past success doesn’t mean anything.

Sh.it…you cyberblew me for years because of all the winners I fed you. Not I’m a horrible person because I stopped.

Let’s see you do it now. You show a profit, I leave. You don’t show a profit, you make a $200 donation to the charity of my choosing.

Last contest was 2018. A dynamite second place finish



Me too, but only if I was pitching, because we were gonna need to score plenty of runs to win the game.

It would appear the big vagina doesn’t have the intestinal fortitude to put his opinion out there and track it.

Kind of ironic, don’t ya think?

To be fair, I think both threads from last year had plenty of situations where there were two price horses picked in one day. Like I mentioned above, I know I don't follow an exact formula for what qualifies as my "best bet."

For me it’s the horse I like the most that day that is also a horse I could bet. Look at opening day at Saratoga, obviously Golden Pal would’ve been most peoples “best bet” but I know I’m not betting horses at 1/5 or whatever he was

By the way, the big vagina’s silence anytime he is challenged is hilarious. He knows what will happen.

Promise ?

Sure. Two picks every single day for the Saratoga meet. You show a profit I’m gone. You lose you make a $200 donation to the charity of my choice.

You game?

Moses, Best Bet should be the horse you think is most likely to win for the day, price shouldn't matter.
Just my opinion. Good luck in your picks and may you be profitable. Also congrats on new baby.

No . I lose and YOU make a $100 donation. I win I’ll make $100 donation.

Whatever. I’ll still leave and donate the money.

By the way, you’re welcome for helping you retire early you ungrateful scumbag.

Thank you and Byk for helping me retire early. I have done this several times already. 6 years and 20 days now. Time flies when you’re having fun.

You have an interesting way of showing gratitude.

You know what they call people who say that they can "Retire Early" betting on horses?

Answer

Liars

I would say that would be "Lock of Day" and you should be hitting that at least 50% of the time and even at that rate you will lose money. "Best Bets" odds often leak up in these types of threads as guys get underwater and try to get out for the meet. If you can hit that "Lock of Day" at 50% and use it to key a Double or Exacta then you can build a successful strategy. Using in Tri's Pick3-4-5 is much harder though IMO as you have more places to stumble.

I’d respond to this obvious shot at me but the last time we went back and forth you got so mad that you wanted to sue me :eek:

Not in the least. I think your best bet picks are right in the sweet spot of win percentage vs price. I'm so anti someone calling the most obvious winner on the card the best bet. Years ago on this board I got into one of those best bet, price contests and was destroying the guy until he hit a 60-1 "Best Bet". It wasn't a shot at you. His "best Bet" ML went up like 8 standard deviations during the later stages.

I’m with you there. Anyone can identify most likely. My goal is to identify a horse that I’m betting that I think is the best bet in terms of likelihood of winning and value. Not a perfect science of course.

I think, in my mind, I typically consider the "best bet" a horse that I'd place a win wager on and also construct some vertical or horizontal tickets around it. A good example of this would have been the horse Quiberon Bay the other day at Monmouth. I had bet the horse to win, exacta on top, and singled in my Pick 5. The horse was something like 9/2 ML and went off at 5/2.

I think last year I got myself in trouble trying to pick horses "most likely" to win, and they often ran 2nd and wouldn't have paid well anyway.

would Tommy "Hammer" Massis be an exception :D

True

Well, nearly 30 posts in, here is what you've all been waiting for.

Wednesday, July 21

Best Bet: Race 6 - #1 G Money Liv, 6/1 ML (Moquett/Saez). I'm not really in love with any horses on this card. The #2, #6, #9, and #10 in this race all have starts under their belts and ran decently enough so I'm expecting that they'll each take a decent amount of money. This horse has exhibited some speed in workouts and had a solid 5 furlong workout from the gate 9 days ago, signaling to me that she is ready to race. With Saez aboard, I expect an aggressive ride and most of the horses with experience have started slow or had trouble out of the gate...so I'm looking for this one to grab the lead and never look back.

Best Value: Race 7 - #5 Amistad, 12/1 ML (C. Englehart/Lezcano). I’m assuming this one stays on the turf but may have to audible if it’s taken off. This one may be a stretch as the #7 Absam, #9 Prefect, #12 Gimme Some Mo, and a few others look stronger than Amistad. And Englehart is hitting at a pretty weak 7% in his last 94 turf starts. It may be foolish to expect the Ortiz brothers to get into a pace duel, but I do expect the pace to be quick enough to set up for one of the horses running late. The #5 Amistad had trouble near the top of the stretch last time out (enough for the winner to be DQ'ed) but still finished OK and showed some closing kick two back. He also flashed some turf talent in his maiden win going wide throughout and finishing strong. So I'll hope for the right pace setup and hope that he’s good enough to compete with these.

Good luck buddy. I like Amistad as well

Good luck to you too. Hopefully we will both hit with him.

Reading comprehension was never your strong point. Nice way to start the day at 4:17 AM with that post. Trouble sleeping ? Or do you start work really early ?

Early riser it breeds success.. Which you know very little about in all aspects of your life. As for reading Comprehension is there a class that explains **** like this?

Double 3 and 14 paid $40. Comprende ? Your head still spinning :zz: from that terrible takedown yesterday ?

You still think there are people more unlikable than him? :D

Absolutely.

P5 2,4,6/1,5/3,4,5/2,4,7/6,9

Didn't realize I didnt post this on play around thread.... It isn't my play for day

Good luck.

To no ones surprise you were a no show today.

Such a p.ussy.

Well, my picks for Wednesday were awful. Hopefully today will be a little better.

Thursday, July 22

Best Bet: Race 7 - #6 Quantitativbreezin, 7/2 ML (Cox/Franco) This race is a bit intriguing. You've got Traffic Lane who ran in the Demoiselle last year now in for a tag for $16K. My Alluring Lady drops from the allowance ranks into a $16K claimer. I don’t trust either of them. You've also got a good amount of speed signed on and Traffic Lane, My Alluring Lady, and Cause to Dream add blinkers. I like Quantitativbreezin switching back to dirt, which I think is her preferred surface and Cox/Franco hitting at a 63% clip doesn't hurt (albeit in a small sample size). The pace worries me a bit but this track seemed to favor speed yesterday so I'll hope it continues today.

Best Value: Race 10 - #11 New York Supreme, 10/1 ML (Bush/Santana) The expected favorite in this one has a tendency to get stuck wide around the turn and drawing the 12th post does her no favors here. New York Supreme's race last year at Saratoga puts her in the ballpark with the rest of these. In that race, she never seemed to fully settle though she flashed some speed. She's now a year older and coming off a long layoff. So the question is if she has improved at all and whether she's ready to run. Unlike the favorite to the outside of her, I think she's got enough early speed to grab the lead and get good position and I'm not overly impressed with any of the other horses in this one.


Tally
Wagered: $8.00
Returned: $0.00