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Kasept 01-26-2009 01:18 PM

1/30 (GP): Forward Gal; Hutcheson (Gr. II's)
 
6th (3:42) Forward Gal S. (G2)

7 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Gemswick Park Velazquez J R 120 L
2 Renda Prado E S 120 L
3 C. S. Silk Albarado R J 120 L
4 Hopeful Image McCauley W H 116 L
5 Frolic's Dream Bridgmohan J V 120 L
6 Dr. Zic Lezcano J 120 L
7 Heart Ashley Leparoux J R 114 L



8th (4:43) Hutcheson S. (G2)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Break Water Edison Garcia Alan 120 L
2 Bee Cee Cee Velasquez C 120 L
3 Capt. Candyman Can Leparoux J R 120 L
4 Hello Broadway Prado E S 114 L
5 Salo Jak Santiago Javier 120 L
6 Rocketing Returns Coa E M 116 L
7 Z Day Velazquez J R 114 L

swedejxn 01-27-2009 07:59 AM

Early graded money for some in these races.... some using the shorter distance as a starting point for may ... easier pay check than Saturdays race...


First the girls...

#3 C.S. Silk.... Romans brings Robby in which is a good sign... working at the track well for last month... Might learn from the poorly timed move at DDowns

#5 Frolics Dream... learned a lesson in rating in Old Hat and did well... This one may be better suited for 6f... but may advance off last one... Like the trainer in this spot... Definite Jockey Questions

#1 Gemswick Park... Ran Tough in last... a repeat is possible... but did it drain the tank????

#2 Renda ... sleeper Well traveled and Tested... 2 for 2 in s.florida (calder)
if ready can win it....


Now the fellas

3. capt. candyman can believe the distance is a good spot for the return

4. Hello Broadway.... Coa goes to zito and the 6 but I like the work pattern and pace could play right into his hands and prado is at his best with this type horse...

7. Z Day... A.D. didn't bring this one without a purpose and could be tough if left unchallenged...

5. Salo Jak.... trainer and jock just "happy to be here"... 3 for 3 at distance and if the 7 is challenged out front could sit a perfect trip...

1. Break Water Edison... thinking this is just a warm up... may need one before best could be expected.... but 85% effort could win it...

swedejxn 01-29-2009 07:23 AM

watch out for rain in the area tomorrow...

cakes44 01-29-2009 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swedejxn

7. Z Day... A.D. didn't bring this one without a purpose...


Normally I would take something like that into account, but not when Zayat is the owner. He sends horses everywhere with no purpose other than name recognition all the time.

Linny 01-29-2009 09:32 AM

There was a timne when 7f was the standard distance to start a potential classic colt. Haskin wrote about it last week. Many of the greats started at 7f in races like the Hutcheson, the Bay Shore and San Vicente.
Trainers liked the idea of a hard sharpening race to start a young horse on a tough road. Of course that was when 4 or more races before the Derby were standard and racing every 2 weeks was the norm.

freddymo 01-29-2009 07:21 PM

If Break Water Edison wins Ocean Parkway will be the rage Saturday after the Sabbath..

Left Bank 01-30-2009 03:47 PM

The Candy man............

Left Bank 01-30-2009 03:48 PM

The Candy man can!!!

Mike 01-30-2009 03:48 PM

Very enjoyable race to watch if you were a fan of the Captain's

justindew 01-30-2009 03:58 PM

Anyone besides me think that whole race was uninspiring? Slow early. Slow late. (unless GP has been producing slow times all day).

Mike 01-30-2009 04:00 PM

I thought Capt. Candyman Can did well in this race to show the maturity to back out of a 3 way duel, rate, and then come widest of all around the two frontrunners

I have no idea when it comes to distance pedigrees, how does the Captain look as far as a mile and a quarter is concerned?

justindew 01-30-2009 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike
I thought Capt. Candyman Can did well in this race to show the maturity to back out of a 3 way duel, rate, and then come widest of all around the two frontrunners

I have no idea when it comes to distance pedigrees, how does the Captain look as far as a mile and a quarter is concerned?

Yeah, no doubt he looked solid. But I can't see that fig coming back too high.

miraja2 01-30-2009 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
Anyone besides me think that whole race was uninspiring? Slow early. Slow late. (unless GP has been producing slow times all day).

He was a half second faster than Frolic's Dream two races earlier....for whatever that's worth.

ateamstupid 01-30-2009 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
Anyone besides me think that whole race was uninspiring? Slow early. Slow late. (unless GP has been producing slow times all day).

So rather than take the two seconds it takes to go check the day's results to see how the track has played, you instead declare that the race was slow (1:23.69) and uninspiring. Awesome.

Frolic's Dream ran 1:24.15 for the same distance, and decent N1X fillies (80-85 Beyers) ran 1:39.76 for a mile earlier. Cheap claimers ran 1:36.43 for 7 1/2 furlongs and 1:43.20 for a mile.

I'd say that's a slow track and Capt. Candyman Can and Hello Broadway both ran big.

ateamstupid 01-30-2009 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
Yeah, no doubt he looked solid. But I can't see that fig coming back too high.

You can't? Even though you admit to having no idea what the other times on the card were?

justindew 01-30-2009 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
You can't? Even though you admit to having no idea what the other times on the card were?

I mean, how slow can the other times be? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Just a knee-jerk reaction. Relax.

ateamstupid 01-30-2009 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
I mean, how slow can the other times be? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Just a knee-jerk reaction. Relax.

I just gave you them above. They're slow. Capt. Candyman's race was fast.

miraja2 01-30-2009 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike
I have no idea when it comes to distance pedigrees, how does the Captain look as far as a mile and a quarter is concerned?

I'm no expert, but I would say he has something of a miler's pedigree overall.

justindew 01-30-2009 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I just gave you them above. They're slow. Capt. Candyman's race was fast.

OK, well, I qualified my initial statement by admitting I hadn't been paying attention to times all day. And instead of kindly informing me that they had been slow, you insulted my post.

ateamstupid 01-30-2009 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
OK, well, I qualified my initial statement by admitting I hadn't been paying attention to times all day. And instead of kindly informing me that they had been slow, you insulted my post.

You're a freaking racing journalist, and you can't be bothered to take two seconds to check the day's times before declaring that the race was slow and uninspiring?


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