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Mike 04-05-2011 10:11 PM

Where we stand on the issues
 
Had to throw it together quick, because I started and couldn't delete. Seen some generalizations on the goodbye CoachPants thread, not sure if we all fit neatly into the categories we might have in mind
Poll is public
Really wouldn't mind seeing someone do up a better version of this (shouldn't be too hard)

Antitrust32 04-06-2011 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 766468)
Had to throw it together quick, because I started and couldn't delete. Seen some generalizations on the goodbye CoachPants thread, not sure if we all fit neatly into the categories we might have in mind
Poll is public
Really wouldn't mind seeing someone do up a better version of this (shouldn't be too hard)

dude I was just messing around.

Mike 04-06-2011 07:56 AM

I didn't take no offense, it simply made me think. It's hard to get a feel for what people are really like on the 'net, and I think our imaginations (mine, anyways) fills in the blanks with soem stereotypes and generalizations

I know I initially had some notions of what Coachpants was, only to find out otherwise thru a private message from another DT'er.

I'm very liberal on this board, but I do favor capital punishment, and there are a few other areas that are at odds with liberals (though it didn't show up in my ten options here)

Recently, I started to wonder if I was becoming a war hawk, wanting CIA and/or military intervention in Egypt and Libya.

I dropped out of the politics forum a few years back, feeling outgunned by the social conservatism

Someone mentioned that this is a horse racing board, thus a foolish place to discuss politics, but this is a site I frequent, and consists of a mix of people that are not all like-minded (I could go to Huffington Post's forums and soothe my mind with comments agreeable to me), and I think it is important to try to talk with those we don't necessarily agree with

My poll is a bit too simple, and some of the options could be phrased differently to be clearer

Antitrust32 04-06-2011 08:15 AM

legalize it!!

Mike 04-06-2011 05:24 PM

I think a multi-religion course should be taught in schools. It would have to be an elective, because more than a few parents might object. Probably in the junior or senior year, but I could see it possibly for early adolescence.
Honestly, I don't see why someone would have a problem with their teen simply learning about the world's major religions

brianwspencer 04-06-2011 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 766624)
Honestly, I don't see why someone would have a problem with their teen simply learning about the world's major religions

You'd be surprised...

Danzig 04-06-2011 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 766624)
I think a multi-religion course should be taught in schools. It would have to be an elective, because more than a few parents might object. Probably in the junior or senior year, but I could see it possibly for early adolescence.
Honestly, I don't see why someone would have a problem with their teen simply learning about the world's major religions

i'm not quite sure why religious classes should be taught.....
as for why some would have a problem-christians differ widely from one denomination to the next, with many getting almost hysterical about their beliefs. you really think you could persuade those folks that their kids should learn about other religions?? lol good luck with that!

Mike 04-06-2011 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 766652)
i'm not quite sure why religious classes should be taught.....
as for why some would have a problem-christians differ widely from one denomination to the next, with many getting almost hysterical about their beliefs. you really think you could persuade those folks that their kids should learn about other religions?? lol good luck with that!

Don't think I could at all. I know many people would have a problem with it, but I think public schools should discuss the subject

Religion is a huge issue in the world, and may well be our downfall. Naturally, I think they should be taught-but not practiced (prayer) in schools

Mike 04-06-2011 07:16 PM

Philosophy should be taught in academic institutions; societal and cultural practices;psychology and human development, etc.

Of course religion should be taught, (and I'm a non-believer), I think it may help some to think about what they're doing, maybe help some to be able to work with other cultures and their religions

jms62 04-07-2011 06:07 AM

America designated as a Christian nation 1 4.76%

Anyone have the Balls to own up to this selection?

Danzig 04-07-2011 06:25 AM

the selction 'prayer allowed in schools' is interesting....kids are already allowed to pray in school. having an official prayer, led by anyone, where everyone feels coerced in joining is what was banned. the aclu successfully challenged an attempt by a school to prevent a girl from praying at lunch time.

Mike 04-07-2011 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 766789)
the selction 'prayer allowed in schools' is interesting....kids are already allowed to pray in school. having an official prayer, led by anyone, where everyone feels coerced in joining is what was banned. the aclu successfully challenged an attempt by a school to prevent a girl from praying at lunch time.

Yes, some of the options should have been written better to avoid any confusion

Mike 04-07-2011 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 766787)
America designated as a Christian nation 1 4.76%

Anyone have the Balls to own up to this selection?

It's an open poll, you can see who voted for what. I am still mystified over that vote (and also thought it would have more votes on here, I guess the DT politics and society forum is not as conservative as I thought)

hi_im_god 04-07-2011 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 766798)
It's an open poll, you can see who voted for what. I am still mystified over that vote (and also thought it would have more votes on here, I guess the DT politics and society forum is not as conservative as I thought)

drugs was clearly joking but he's now been joined by two others who aren't.

i'm confued by jesus outpolling omnipotent deity 2:1 at this point. how do you believe in the former but not the latter?

timmgirvan 04-07-2011 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 766833)
drugs was clearly joking but he's now been joined by two others who aren't.

i'm confued by jesus outpolling omnipotent deity 2:1 at this point. how do you believe in the former but not the latter?

you're supposed to know the difference

hi_im_god 04-07-2011 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan (Post 766838)
you're supposed to know the difference

so you believe in jesus but not god?

somerfrost 04-07-2011 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 766843)
so you believe in jesus but not god?

That confuses me as well, one would think the results would be the opposite with more folks believing in their version of god than Jesus??? I found the question perplexing as I believe Jesus was real but not necessarily more than a man while I clearly believe in the Almighty. I ended up voting only for The One.

GenuineRisk 04-07-2011 01:20 PM

I went to public school and we covered world religions in our World Cultures class. It wasn't elective (everyone had to take World Cultures) but I don't recall anyone having issues about it. Maybe because it wasn't taught as a "this is the truth" but as a "this faith is important in this region." Or so I recall. I think it's useful in that I learned that Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, etc. are as diverse as Christianity and, just as Christianity does here, varies in practice according to where the population lives (Pacific Island Islam is very different from Arabic Islam, for example, and Buddhism in Cambodia is a totally different faith from Buddhism in China).

So I think World Religions are a good subject for school, but probably best paired with education on the cultures where those faiths predominate, as people don't worship in a cultural vacuum.

I think you're not seeing a ton of dissent on the poll, Mike, because you cite cultural issues, not foreign policy or economic issues, and I think a lot of the DTers are probably on the same page, or close to it, where cultural issues are concerned. Polls are fun; thanks for posting it!

somerfrost 04-07-2011 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan (Post 766838)
you're supposed to know the difference

Timm, I went to the poll and checked who voted for what, I see you indicated you believe in Jesus but not god (you were among a number who voted that way)...having debated with you for a long time, I don't believe that's what you mean to say, correct me if I'm wrong.

timmgirvan 04-07-2011 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 766884)
Timm, I went to the poll and checked who voted for what, I see you indicated you believe in Jesus but not god (you were among a number who voted that way)...having debated with you for a long time, I don't believe that's what you mean to say, correct me if I'm wrong.

It was ambigous(sp). Christians believe in a Triune God. Father,Son, and Holy Spirit. I could have checked both boxes, but wanted to delineate from a faceless god and a Saviour.


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