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Travis Stone 05-07-2011 07:44 PM
Derby Thoughts - Animal Kingdom going forward; Mo
 
Andy and Eric said on Talking Horses today that this is the type of year where the Triple Crown might be easier versus a year with a more top-heavy/competitive group and I agree.

I'm not saying Animal Kingdom can or will win the Triple Crown, but it's hard to argue with his effort today. Slow pace and all, he won fair and square. What happens if he gets pace? Plus, happy for Graham Motion, who is definitely one of the good guys in racing.

Nehro ran big, he'll be useful down the road too.

And what if - big what if - Uncle Mo were at his best today? Slow pace, tracking it, if not setting it... it's hard to imagine he doesn't open-up in the stretch, and then it's a matter of whether or not gets there first.

For a Derby trail that was frustrating and disappointing, it turned out okay today... but I do hope in the years to come we can return to triple digit preps and performances throughout the early spring.

VOL JACK 05-07-2011 07:50 PM
HUH?

Bobby Flay was on VS saying that Soldat was gonna win the Triple Crown.:zz:

Travis Stone 05-07-2011 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 775132)
HUH?

Bobby Flay was on VS saying that Soldat was gonna win the Triple Crown.:zz:
..... interesting. I actually missed it, but was told by two people he picked Animal Kingdom???? I edited the line out...

Sightseek 05-07-2011 07:51 PM
I think the jockey situation will (sadly) be talked about more than the horse.

VOL JACK 05-07-2011 07:52 PM
He was perfectly clear on VS..
"Soldat will win the Triple Crown"

He obviously a Thoro-Graph guy..they liked Soldat going in.

GPK 05-07-2011 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 775129)
Bobby Flay loved him today.

Andy and Eric said on Talking Horses today that this is the type of year where the Triple Crown might be easier versus a year with a more top-heavy/competitive group and I agree.

I'm not saying Animal Kingdom can or will win the Triple Crown, but it's hard to argue with his effort today. Slow pace and all, he won fair and square. What happens if he gets pace? Plus, happy for Graham Motion, who is definitely one of the good guys in racing.

Nehro ran big, he'll be useful down the road too.

And what if - big what if - Uncle Mo were at his best today? Slow pace, tracking it, if not setting it... it's hard to imagine he doesn't open-up in the stretch, and then it's a matter of whether or not gets there first.

For a Derby trail that was frustrating and disappointing, it turned out okay today... but I do hope in the years to come we can return to triple digit preps and performances throughout the early spring.
With the scratch of Uncle Mo, we were left with 1 horse in the field that had run a triple digit beyer (Soldat) and 3 horses that had never run a beyer in the 90's. Happy to see JV get his first Derby win and even happier to see a guy like Motion get his Derby win as well, but it was a race filled with some pretty unimpressive horses.

As an aside, the scratch of Little Mike in the Woodford proved huge for the Get Stormy connections. Was glad to see Ramon win that race.

JJP 05-07-2011 08:07 PM
I'm not sure the pace was that slow. The track has been deep lately and we've seen a lot of slow fractions in the route races. According to the chart, there still was a number of horses at least a dozen lengths out; Dialed In was over 17 lengths off the pace. If the pace really was that slow, they all would've been within 7-8 lengths of the leader.

philcski 05-07-2011 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 775136)
He was perfectly clear on VS..
"Soldat will win the Triple Crown"

He obviously a Thoro-Graph guy..they liked Soldat going in.
He is... they recommended the purchase of Her Smile to him 2 weeks ago. I talked to him about it on Wednesday.

Rudeboyelvis 05-07-2011 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 775138)
With the scratch of Uncle Mo, we were left with 1 horse in the field that had run a triple digit beyer (Soldat) and 3 horses that had never run a beyer in the 90's. Happy to see JV get his first Derby win and even happier to see a guy like Motion get his Derby win as well, but it was a race filled with some pretty unimpressive horses.

As an aside, the scratch of Little Mike in the Woodford proved huge for the Get Stormy connections. Was glad to see Ramon win that race.
Killled me in the Oaks/Woodford/Derby P3... hope you had GS in the double, Kev.... Singled GS in the DD after the scratch ;):$:

Sightseek 05-07-2011 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 775151)
He is... they recommended the purchase of Her Smile to him 2 weeks ago. I talked to him about it on Wednesday.
Is your new job Professional Name Dropper?

philcski 05-07-2011 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 775155)
Is your new job Professional Name Dropper?
:rolleyes:
We don't see important people around these hills very often. :p

Indian Charlie 05-08-2011 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 775192)
:rolleyes:
We don't see important people around these hills very often. :p
Are you saying that people in your area are unimportant?

philcski 05-08-2011 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 775196)
Are you saying that people in your area are unimportant?
Uh, very much so. I'm from New York, remember?

Indian Charlie 05-08-2011 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 775199)
Uh, very much so. I'm from New York, remember?
lol, yeah!

Merlinsky 05-08-2011 01:26 AM
http://www.ajc.com/sports/ritvo-cele...ss_news_128746

Looks like if it's up to Kathy, MMM is going to the Preakness. I'm so happy for her that he ran well today. Not too shabby for a 17+ hands, June 15 foal.

ateamstupid 05-08-2011 02:25 AM
There's absolutely no reason Animal Kingdom can't win the TC. And I'd love to see it from a son of LRDA. Nehro ran a big race.

It's pretty interesting that we got such a clear result from such a muddled field. The first three were tons the best, and Shackleford did what he should've done.

letswastemoney 05-08-2011 03:07 AM
Maybe just key Nehro in the 2nd slot next time with the logical contenders on top

slotdirt 05-08-2011 07:37 AM
Would it be fair to say that Nehro just hung?

I suppose Animal Kingdom could win the Triple Crown. I also suppose Dialed In running the final 1/4 under 24 would have been much more useful if he were in the same zip code as the rest of the field at some point in the race.

paulo537 05-08-2011 09:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 775129)
Andy and Eric said on Talking Horses today that this is the type of year where the Triple Crown might be easier versus a year with a more top-heavy/competitive group and I agree.

I'm not saying Animal Kingdom can or will win the Triple Crown, but it's hard to argue with his effort today. Slow pace and all, he won fair and square. What happens if he gets pace? Plus, happy for Graham Motion, who is definitely one of the good guys in racing.

Nehro ran big, he'll be useful down the road too.

And what if - big what if - Uncle Mo were at his best today? Slow pace, tracking it, if not setting it... it's hard to imagine he doesn't open-up in the stretch, and then it's a matter of whether or not gets there first.

For a Derby trail that was frustrating and disappointing, it turned out okay today... but I do hope in the years to come we can return to triple digit preps and performances throughout the early spring.
Great and interesting Derby to me.

- Weather
- Track condition
- Record attendance
- Winner last prepped at Turfway
- Winner never ran on dirt
- Jock/Trainer/Owner get first win
- Fairly clean race without huge excuses. Maybe Nehro moved too soon.

I'd be surprised if we see Uncle Mo anytime soon, if ever. I also think Dialed In will be off a while. His race and work schedule certainly were not very encouraging. He has the look of a colt with some issue they managed best they could.

I don't care much about triple digit figures in preps. What do they mean? Good horses can come from anywhere.

I just wish Brilliant Speed had run at least a little bit.

Mawhip 05-08-2011 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by paulo537 (Post 775228)
Great and interesting Derby to me.

- Weather
- Track condition
- Record attendance
- Winner last prepped at Turfway
- Winner never ran on dirt
- Jock/Trainer/Owner get first win
- Fairly clean race without huge excuses. Maybe Nehro moved too soon.

I'd be surprised if we see Uncle Mo anytime soon, if ever. I also think Dialed In will be off a while. His race and work schedule certainly were not very encouraging. He has the look of a colt with some issue they managed best they could.

I don't care much about triple digit figures in preps. What do they mean? Good horses can come from anywhere.

I just wish Brilliant Speed had run at least a little bit.



What race were you watching. I would say Brilliant Speed ran a little bit. He got beat 5.25 lengths and was closing. He certainly outran his odds.


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