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Kasept 11-09-2013 03:16 AM

Derby Future added for November
 
http://www.drf.com/news/churchill-do...l-end-november

LOUISVILLE, Ky. – Churchill Downs officials announced late Friday that a future wager on the 2014 Kentucky Derby will be offered at the end of November, by far the earliest such parimutuel futures have been offered since first being made available in 1999.

The pool will be open for four days, from Wednesday, Nov. 27, through Saturday, Nov. 30, closing at post time of either the Remsen at Aqueduct or the Kentucky Jockey Club at Churchill, whichever is run first.

The three pools normally offered in the months preceding the Derby will be offered on this schedule: Feb. 6-8; Feb. 27-March 1; and March 27-29. The lone Kentucky Oaks futures pool will coincide with the second of those three.

The standard win and exacta formats remain, with 23 individually listed interests and a 24th “all others” option.

Duvalier 11-09-2013 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 953371)
The standard win and exacta formats remain, with 23 individually listed interests and a 24th “all others” option.

Will they ever make it a true Vegas like future and give a few hundred betting options? It would be pretty cool to see what all those options would look like in a pari-mutuel pool.

randallscott35 11-09-2013 07:26 AM

Bizarre placement. Leave it to CDI to try and squeeze the lemon some more.

fowler 11-09-2013 08:19 AM

Better off waiting for the day of the race then to get suckered into this lousy wager.

jms62 11-09-2013 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 953381)
Bizarre placement. Leave it to CDI to try and squeeze the lemon some more.

If they wanted to really juice the lemon they would get over that HUGE technical hurdle:rolleyes: of offering only 24 entries




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randallscott35 11-09-2013 08:56 AM

That's too difficult for a publicly traded company that feels the need to charge you 150 bucks to walk in the door to bet money on Derby Day.

jms62 11-09-2013 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 953387)
That's too difficult for a publicly traded company that feels the need to charge you 150 bucks to walk in the door to bet money on Derby Day.

My money is on a company 3D printing a human liver for transplant before they solve the mystery of getting over the 24 entry ceiling on a derby future bet

randallscott35 11-09-2013 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 953388)
My money is on a company 3D printing a human liver for transplant before they solve the mystery of getting over the 24 entry ceiling on a derby future bet

But yet some twat was able to rig Breeders Cup Pick Six in what 2002? What a disgrace CD is

blackthroatedwind 11-09-2013 09:19 AM

I'm confused....they couldn't wait until after both races were run ( there is Sunday racing, no? ) and they think a pool of 24 horses, along with a field slot, over five months before the Derby, is an inviting idea?

cmorioles 11-09-2013 09:43 AM

This whole thing, the bet itself and closing before the 2yo races are done, is one of the dumbest things I've seen in a long time. What is the field, 1 to 5?

Travis Stone 11-09-2013 09:43 AM

Outside of the timing when the pool closes, which I haven't looked at, getting people to talk and think about your product that much earlier is never a bad thing. There is also a pretty direct correlation between Derby handle growth and the future wager going back to when it started.

In my opinion ultimately the whole future wager concept is less about revenue off the bet, which really isn't much, and more about the chatter and getting people to talk and think Derby.

randallscott35 11-09-2013 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 953397)
Outside of the timing when the pool closes, which I haven't looked at, getting people to talk and think about your product that much earlier is never a bad thing. There is also a pretty direct correlation between Derby handle growth and the future wager going back to when it started.

In my opinion ultimately the whole future wager concept is less about revenue off the bet, which really isn't much, and more about the chatter and getting people to talk and think Derby.

I'll just assume your joking so I can sleep tonight.

blackthroatedwind 11-09-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 953397)
Outside of the timing when the pool closes, which I haven't looked at, getting people to talk and think about your product that much earlier is never a bad thing. There is also a pretty direct correlation between Derby handle growth and the future wager going back to when it started.

In my opinion ultimately the whole future wager concept is less about revenue off the bet, which really isn't much, and more about the chatter and getting people to talk and think Derby.

Fair enough....but they still need to enlarge the field size substantially.

lemoncrush 11-09-2013 12:27 PM

Pointless unless they increase the number of individual betting interests from 23.
What is the Field going to close at? 3-5??

randallscott35 11-09-2013 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush (Post 953418)
Pointless unless they increase the number of individual betting interests from 23.
What is the Field going to close at? 3-5??

Less

Danzig 11-09-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 953385)
If they wanted to really juice the lemon they would get over that HUGE technical hurdle:rolleyes: of offering only 24 entries




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Danzig 11-09-2013 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 953397)
Outside of the timing when the pool closes, which I haven't looked at, getting people to talk and think about your product that much earlier is never a bad thing. There is also a pretty direct correlation between Derby handle growth and the future wager going back to when it started.

In my opinion ultimately the whole future wager concept is less about revenue off the bet, which really isn't much, and more about the chatter and getting people to talk and think Derby.

good points. they need to try to find ways to entice people to pay attention to horses and racing more, and things like this can only help. no reason why you can't try to generate derby interest that much earlier. it will help the preps as well.

Cannon Shell 11-09-2013 08:28 PM

So they want to expand the future wagers to cover races which are deemed almost worthless based on the minuscule amount of Derby points they offer? Typical.

tanner12oz 11-14-2013 10:03 AM

jamming it into thanksgiving, black friday and thanksgiving weekend is also retarded...not like ky derby 6 months away is going to be exactly at the forefront of anyones schedule

tanner12oz 11-14-2013 10:05 AM

william hill odds if anyone cares..pre bc so obviously have since changed

http://linemakers.sportingnews.com/s...rlin-las-vegas


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