Is the current Pope a disgrace to the Cathloic Church

[Mike]

I say it's gone far enough to see him befriending pedophiles and,now, Nazi sympathizers.





Sorry about the misspelling of Catholic, I can't seem to go back and edit it

[Antitrust32]

yes and so was the last pope.

Turned a blind eye to all the abuse happening in his church... oh just move the pedophiles to another church so they can go on abusing.

Yet everyone seems to call him a saint... he was a scumbag.

Now this current pope makes speeches about gays should be eliminated (not in those exact words but that was the feeling of the speech)... now he accepts people who openly demand that the holocaust never existed.

John Paul and Bendadick, if there is a heaven or a hell... I dont see them being in the place above.

[Mike]

Well, Anti-trust and I are certainly on common ground here. I'm not sure anyone on this forum will defend Benedict(or whatever, Bendadick like you said).

I do think their are still many who think the Pope is not subject to scrutiny, that the Pope is somehow channeling Gods' will, thus criticism would be blasphemous

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Mike

I say it's gone far enough to see him befriending pedophiles and,now, Nazi sympathizers.





Sorry about the misspelling of Catholic, I can't seem to go back and edit it

this is the guy working towards getting pius the 12th sainthood(hitler's pope)-so i would say his recent move to rehabilitate the bishops who are holocaust deniers isn't exactly shocking.

[Mike]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Pope

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Mike

I say it's gone far enough to see him befriending pedophiles and,now, Nazi sympathizers.





Sorry about the misspelling of Catholic, I can't seem to go back and edit it

As a Catholic I find this completely offensive. Where is your proof that he is befriending pedophiles? Making him responsible for every action taken by a priest is completely wrong. And to get the facts straight read this:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/pop...025223422.html

[Mike]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

As a Catholic I find this completely offensive. Where is your proof that he is befriending pedophiles? Making him responsible for every action taken by a priest is completely wrong. And to get the facts straight read this:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/pop...025223422.html

I'm going to stock my ammo, dellinger, it may take a while.

I'm a Catholic, too.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Mike

I'm going to stock my ammo, dellinger, it may take a while.

I'm a Catholic, too.

Go at it. GL
aren't the vast majority of Priest Pedophile targets boys? Would be as ignorant as me thinking all Gays are Pedophiles.

[Mike]

You know, dellinger, it's going to be pretty easy to show the links revealing the Blagojevich side of this current Pope.


I do think their are still many who think the Pope is not subject to scrutiny, that the Pope is somehow channeling Gods' will, thus criticism would be blasphemous

How do you feel about this statement?

[Mike]

Nice article on calls from within the Catholic church for the Pope to resign:
http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-en...ilitation.html

Here's a few excerpts:

Theologian Hermann Haering went so far as to say that the Pope should resign: “If the Pope wants to do something good for the church, he should step down.”


But Vatican spokesman, Reverend Federico Lombardi, told AP that the Pope’s “absolutely indefensible” decision to reinstate Williamson did not reflect the Vatican’s views: “They are his personal ideas ... that we certainly don't share”

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Mike

You know, dellinger, it's going to be pretty easy to show the links revealing the Blagojevich side of this current Pope.


[I]I do think their are still many who think the Pope is not subject to scrutiny, that the Pope is somehow channeling Gods' will, thus criticism would be blasphemous[/i]

How do you feel about this statement?

Blago? WTF? I was never taught the Pope was channeling anything from God unless he is blessing bread and wine so the question makes no sense to me.

[Mike]

Why is it you come to this guys defense? I see no reason, in our modern world, to bestow any special reverence on a pope or a priest. I think you're holding him on a higher pedestal. I think he's a man, good and bad, no different than anyone, not picked in any way by God


Do you really get a good feeling from this Pope?

[Mike]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/menach..._b_163832.html


An excerpt:
"has no purpose but to inculcate contempt for Jews. According to deniers Jews use the Holocaust to win the world's sympathy and, in the course of so doing, win reparations from Germany and political support for Israel. Such a charge, based as it is the imagery of money and political manipulation, hearkens back to traditional antisemitic stereotypes. Why a pope would want to give support to such a movement is baffling. More baffling, however, is why a pope would want to associate the Vatican with someone who preaches lies and manipulations of history."

[dellinger63]

Listen he is not buddying up with this moron priest from England. He said he wants to rehablitate him which I feel means he wants to educate him on the facts. The Pope does not judge, God does. What do you want him to do? Send the Papal Guard to assasinate him? But keep at it......

[Mike]

And here a succinct link to the pedophilia stuff:
http://endtimeswisdom.blogspot.com/2...edophiles.html

From ABC news: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4656143&page=1

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Mike

Why is it you come to this guys defense? I see no reason, in our modern world, to bestow any special reverence on a pope or a priest. I think you're holding him on a higher pedestal. I think he's a man, good and bad, no different than anyone, not picked in any way by God


Do you really get a good feeling from this Pope?

I am in no position to read his mind but still I have faith in both him and ultimately in the Church. I have known many Priests (majority of who were Jesuits) who are completely selfless and are more powerful than the average man simply because of their faith. They walk the talk and every facit of what they do is service to mankind. Goes with the motto "Man for Others" drilled into us during the four years of bootcamp known as Loyola Academy.

[Mike]

Allright, enough. Maybe I'm a little overzealous. I'm sure you can find links to his defense if you wanted to

I actually still have respect for priests, including the openly gay ones in the Episcopal church.

I'm still not sure what to think of the nuns, though. They beat many friends and classmates of mine. Are nuns mean everywhere, or just in American Catholic schools?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Mike

And here a succinct link to the pedophilia stuff:
http://endtimeswisdom.blogspot.com/2...edophiles.html

From ABC news: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4656143&page=1

Real good source there End Times?

August 8, 2007, the End Times Intelligence Report was the first to outline the five remaining obstacles which remained before Canada, Mexico and the United States could boldly implement the North American Union (click here to read the reference article). The three countries, along with the Trilateral Commission and the Council of Foreign Relations, signed the unconstitutional Security Prosperity Partnership in which each country would give up its national sovereignty to create the North American Union - a regional superstate.

Trilateral Commission? Council of Foreign Relations? US giving up her sovereignty? Where are the aliens and skull and bones members. Don't forget the Masons! Surely you can do better. Take your time. LMAO

[Mike]

Let's not take it from the Endtimes link, let's take it from its' source, the BBC:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...ma/5402928.stm



http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/new...t=true&bbcws=2

[Mike]

View that second link, the direct link to the BBC broadcast, and then rebuff the allegations made