Would you rather win a Kentucky Derby of BC Classic?

If you owned, trained or rode horses, would you rather win a BC Classic or a Kentucky Derby?

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

Derby. Far more prestigious event

Last time I checked classic winners received much more money. Ask any jock or trainer if he wants 10% of 1.2 mill or 10% of 2,4 mill. You cant send your kids to college with trophies, you send em with cash.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Last time I checked classic winners received much more money. Ask any jock or trainer if he wants 10% of 1.2 mill or 10% of 2,4 mill. You cant send your kids to college with trophies, you send em with cash.

At that level it isn't about money. 99% of people would rather win the derby. What is the name of this site? Breederscuptrail?

[randallscott35]

Derby. If I owned horses, odds are I'd have plenty of money. The Derby is a unique thing, kind of a one shot deal for 3 yr olds. Just getting them in the gate is a thrill. I wish I had this problem, choosing between these 2.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Derby. If I owned horses, odds are I'd have plenty of money. The Derby is a unique thing, kind of a one shot deal for 3 yr olds. Just getting them in the gate is a thrill. I wish I had this problem, choosing between these 2.

Thats the thing, you think these gusy ride r train for ego, they do it for money!!!!!!! Ask em!!!

[randallscott35]

Sure, but the question isn't geared towards jockeys, its towards owners.

[PeteMugg]

What do these wins mean when it comes to breeding money? And how do other finishers of these races do when it comes to the breeding shed?

Originally Posted by PeteMugg

What do these wins mean when it comes to breeding money? And how do other finishers of these races do when it comes to the breeding shed?

Glad you asked pete. Smarty and Fupeg cashed in nicely, but Giacomo and others havent.
BC winners have been more consistently syndicated for more cash. And look atthe stud fees!!!!!!
ST Liam just went for over 15 mill.
Zapper forget about it, look at his stud fee!!!!
Volponi didnt break any banks but Pleasantly perfect went just fine!!!
Tiznow got a great buck and sired a champ in his first crop.
Giants Causeway was a runnerup but it didnt hurt him any either!!!
Cigar went for a fortune befor being discovered unfertile. I think you get the point.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Glad you asked pete. Smarty and Fupeg cashed in nicely, but Giacomo and others havent.
BC winners have been more consistently syndicated for more cash. And look atthe stud fees!!!!!!
ST Liam just went for over 15 mill.
Zapper forget about it, look at his stud fee!!!!
Volponi didnt break any banks but Pleasantly perfect went just fine!!!
Tiznow got a great buck and sired a champ in his first crop.
Giants Causeway was a runnerup but it didnt hurt him any either!!!
Cigar went for a fortune befor being discovered unfertile. I think you get the point.

This is incorrect. Derby winners on average have a much higher stud fee than BC Classic winners. I will let you do the work and post the last 20, because you are wrong on this one.

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

This is incorrect. Derby winners on average have a much higher stud fee than BC Classic winners. I will let you do the work and post the last 20, because you are wrong on this one.

Higher start or higher fee with a five year average? You cant only count starting fee, its waht they generate total!!!

Originally Posted by oracle80

Higher start or higher fee with a five year average? You cant only count starting fee, its waht they generate total!!!

Either. The KD winners are just bigger money makers. However, the data is off because a horse like Seattle Slew likely would have won the BC Classic if it existed. However, farms value derby winners more than Classic winners for marketing reasons alone.

Originally Posted by PeteMugg

What do these wins mean when it comes to breeding money? And how do other finishers of these races do when it comes to the breeding shed?

Derby winners almost always start at a higher stud fee.

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

Derby winners almost always start at a higher stud fee.

Ok, you have lost all credibility. Giacomo is gonna start higher than Zapper and ST liam? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh don't forget Distorted Humor, my current favorite sire, the way he steps up his mares is just incredible.

But ah hell, we are graced with a guy who knows more about breeding than John Nerud, who has always said that. How lucky we are to have you in our midst!!!!

Originally Posted by oracle80

But ah hell, we are graced with a guy who knows more about breeding than John Nerud, who has always said that. How lucky we are to have you in our midst!!!!

I can assure you I know more about breeding than you do. Dr. Fager a miler? That is hilarious. I guess Secretariat was a miler too. LOL

[Scav]

Here comes our first brawl

Originally Posted by Scav

Here comes our first brawl

I would never argue handicapping, but when it comes to pedigrees and breeding I know my stuff. Have to or I would be out of a job.

[Scav]

In Excess and Honour and Glory are SOLID SOLID producers, both get at least 1 Grade 1 winner a year (this is not a fact, assumed but a solid assumption)