Lava Man and Drugs

Fuofa · #1 04-03-2007, 01:34 PM

Here is a simple question that is not going to have a simple answer:

If Lava Man's owners and trainers know this horse cannot run without the benefit of certain drugs, why do they continue to ship him out of state knowing what the end result will be?

I am not so naive as to think that there is a certain level of impropriety going on in this business, but why would anyone want to spend the money to ship a horse across the country or around the world knowing that the horse does not have snowball's chance in hell of competing?

Sightseek · #2 04-03-2007, 01:37 PM

Well the trip to Dubai is all expense paid...and who wouldn't want to go there? (even though I think they were selfish to do so)

citycat · #3 04-03-2007, 02:05 PM

The races in Dubai are a little different in that they are by "invitation" only. All shipping expenses are paid for as well as lodging for the trainer/owners. Essentially it is a "free" trip. As a personal observation though it seems like horses who run "over there" are never the same in my opinion.

The Indomitable DrugS · #4 04-03-2007, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek

and who wouldn't want to go there?

Me

Hawk · #5 04-03-2007, 03:07 PM

HOW TO SELL ANTI-SEMITES: THE LEGITIMIZATION OF DUBAI
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

The past few years have seen a concerted international PR campaign to promote Dubai as a tolerant new Mecca of Middle East moderation and amazing economic growth.

And it's working. Corporate giant Halliburton is moving its headquarters there; the famed Louvre is opening a branch in the emirate. Tourists are flocking to Dubai's luxury hotels.

But don't be fooled. Dubai, which is one of the seven princedoms of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), is anything but tolerant and progressive.

To put it bluntly: They don't like Jews.

In fact, Dubai, like the rest of the UAE, is blatantly anti-Semitic. It bars all Israeli citizens from ever setting foot in the country. People from other nations whose passport have stamps indicating they've even visited Israel must notify Dubai immigration authorities of the stamp before entering.

Dubai is also actively involved in the Arab boycott of Israel: It bans all products made in Israel and even ones with parts made in Israel.

But the emir of Dubai, Sheik Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, understands the value of using prominent Americans to legitimize his country and burnish its image in the American media.

That's why former Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton have been the objects of Dubai largesse. Their Dubai friends have given millions to each of their presidential libraries. And Bill Clinton has raked in more than $1 million for speeches he's given in Dubai and the UAE.

Dubai's PR machine went into high gear after 9/11 - in part to distract attention from the extensive use the terrorists made of the emirate. More than half of the hijackers traveled to the United States via Dubai. The 9/11 Commission noted that $234,500 of the $300,000 wired to the hijackers and plot leaders in America came via Dubai banks.

Several months after 9/11, Dubai's newest best friend began his public association with the country. In January 2002, Bill Clinton gave his first Dubai speech (for $300,000). He' been legitimizing the country ever since.

Clinton was the rainmaker who introduced the emir to his friend and employer, Ron Berkle, the owner of Yucaipa companies and a major fund-raiser for Bill and Hillary.

Last year, Yucaipa and the emir formed a new company, DIGL, for their joint ventures. So Bill Clinton is now an adviser and member of the board of directors of a company that is in partnership with the anti-Israeli government of Dubai.

The Clintons won't reveal how much the former president pocketed for setting up this deal, except to report on Hillary's Senate disclosure form: "more than $1,000."

A lot more. According to San Francisco Examiner columnist P.J. Corkery, Clinton makes $10 million a year from Yucaipa.

Bill isn't alone in legitimizing Dubai. Other Clinton pals - including disgraced former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, ex-Secretary of State Madeline Albright and Al and Tipper Gore - have attended highly publicized events there.

So have some Republicans - including former Bush Sr. Chief of Staff John Sununu, presidential brother Neal Bush and Rudy Guiliani.

Republican ex-Sen. Bob Dole and Democratic ex-Rep. Tom Downey lobby for Dubai; so does The Glover Park Group, home of Hillary Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson and former President Clinton press secretary Joe Lockhart.

Major U.S. business leaders populate the many conferences sponsored by Dubai and its industries.

All of this helps legitimize Dubai. And no one mentions the problem with Israel.

Bill Clinton even created a Dubai Scholars Program at the American University in Dubai under the sponsorship of the William Jefferson Clinton Foundation. Laura Tyson, Clinton's chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, created a similar Dubai study program at the University of London.

But not everyone is blind.

Last month, the University of Connecticut correctly abandoned plans to open up a campus in Dubai after serious complaints about Dubai's state-imposed discrimination of people based on their national origin and religion and its documented violations of human rights. (For example, Human Rights Watch has said Dubai abuses tens of thousands of migrant workers from India and Pakistan.)

The Clinton Foundation certainly wouldn't sponsor a program in America that banned Israeli students. It shouldn't sponsor one in Dubai, either.

It's time to stop legitimizing an anti-Semitic state.

The Indomitable DrugS · #6 04-03-2007, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawk

To put it bluntly: They don't like Jews.

What's to like?

Indian Charlie · #7 04-03-2007, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What's to like?

this coming from the italian who's mom calls him 'her little jew'?

LOL

jpops757 · #8 04-03-2007, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawk

HOW TO SELL ANTI-SEMITES: THE LEGITIMIZATION OF DUBAI
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

The past few years have seen a concerted international PR campaign to promote Dubai as a tolerant new Mecca of Middle East moderation and amazing economic growth.

And it's working. Corporate giant Halliburton is moving its headquarters there; the famed Louvre is opening a branch in the emirate. Tourists are flocking to Dubai's luxury hotels.

But don't be fooled. Dubai, which is one of the seven princedoms of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), is anything but tolerant and progressive.

To put it bluntly: They don't like Jews.

In fact, Dubai, like the rest of the UAE, is blatantly anti-Semitic. It bars all Israeli citizens from ever setting foot in the country. People from other nations whose passport have stamps indicating they've even visited Israel must notify Dubai immigration authorities of the stamp before entering.

Dubai is also actively involved in the Arab boycott of Israel: It bans all products made in Israel and even ones with parts made in Israel.

But the emir of Dubai, Sheik Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, understands the value of using prominent Americans to legitimize his country and burnish its image in the American media.

That's why former Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton have been the objects of Dubai largesse. Their Dubai friends have given millions to each of their presidential libraries. And Bill Clinton has raked in more than $1 million for speeches he's given in Dubai and the UAE.

Dubai's PR machine went into high gear after 9/11 - in part to distract attention from the extensive use the terrorists made of the emirate. More than half of the hijackers traveled to the United States via Dubai. The 9/11 Commission noted that $234,500 of the $300,000 wired to the hijackers and plot leaders in America came via Dubai banks.

Several months after 9/11, Dubai's newest best friend began his public association with the country. In January 2002, Bill Clinton gave his first Dubai speech (for $300,000). He' been legitimizing the country ever since.

Clinton was the rainmaker who introduced the emir to his friend and employer, Ron Berkle, the owner of Yucaipa companies and a major fund-raiser for Bill and Hillary.

Last year, Yucaipa and the emir formed a new company, DIGL, for their joint ventures. So Bill Clinton is now an adviser and member of the board of directors of a company that is in partnership with the anti-Israeli government of Dubai.

The Clintons won't reveal how much the former president pocketed for setting up this deal, except to report on Hillary's Senate disclosure form: "more than $1,000."

A lot more. According to San Francisco Examiner columnist P.J. Corkery, Clinton makes $10 million a year from Yucaipa.

Bill isn't alone in legitimizing Dubai. Other Clinton pals - including disgraced former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, ex-Secretary of State Madeline Albright and Al and Tipper Gore - have attended highly publicized events there.

So have some Republicans - including former Bush Sr. Chief of Staff John Sununu, presidential brother Neal Bush and Rudy Guiliani.

Republican ex-Sen. Bob Dole and Democratic ex-Rep. Tom Downey lobby for Dubai; so does The Glover Park Group, home of Hillary Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson and former President Clinton press secretary Joe Lockhart.

Major U.S. business leaders populate the many conferences sponsored by Dubai and its industries.

All of this helps legitimize Dubai. And no one mentions the problem with Israel.

Bill Clinton even created a Dubai Scholars Program at the American University in Dubai under the sponsorship of the William Jefferson Clinton Foundation. Laura Tyson, Clinton's chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, created a similar Dubai study program at the University of London.

But not everyone is blind.

Last month, the University of Connecticut correctly abandoned plans to open up a campus in Dubai after serious complaints about Dubai's state-imposed discrimination of people based on their national origin and religion and its documented violations of human rights. (For example, Human Rights Watch has said Dubai abuses tens of thousands of migrant workers from India and Pakistan.)

The Clinton Foundation certainly wouldn't sponsor a program in America that banned Israeli students. It shouldn't sponsor one in Dubai, either.

It's time to stop legitimizing an anti-Semitic state.

While I have no direct knowledge of any of this Im sure for the most part its true but I think if you check Frankle has had horses invite and he attended. There laws are just tool to use to there advantage and ignore when dollars are at stake.

brianwspencer · #9 04-03-2007, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpops757

While I have no direct knowledge of any of this Im sure for the most part its true but I think if you check Frankle has had horses invite and he attended. There laws are just tool to use to there advantage and ignore when dollars are at stake.

It happened with Cohen last year. They let him come in because he's Jewish of American descent, not Israeli. They talked about it a bit in the writeups last year after he won the race, and how they didn't know if he would have been let in had he been Israeli.

If memory serves me well.

SentToStud · #10 04-03-2007, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawk

HOW TO SELL ANTI-SEMITES: THE LEGITIMIZATION OF DUBAI
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

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Is this the same Dick Morris who's the former Clinton aide and current FoxNews shill? The guy whose mouth only works on one side? That guy bugs the sh1t out of me. Make me think I'm watching a damaged Clutch Cargo re-run. I swear all it would take to fix his handicap is one good slap to the head. Or, a kick in the balls.

Great insightful (inciteful?) post, by the way.

philcski · #11 04-03-2007, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Is this the same Dick Morris who's the former Clinton aide and current FoxNews shill? The guy whose mouth only works on one side? That guy bugs the sh1t out of me. Make me think I'm watching a damaged Clutch Cargo re-run. I swear all it would take to fix his handicap is one good slap to the head. Or, a kick in the balls.

Great insightful (inciteful?) post, by the way.

While the article is obviously intended to hit Clinton for taking boatloads of their money, if you don't believe this doesn't occur you're fooling yourself.

The north Africa-sectarian Muslim community HATES Semites.

Keep that in mind before you defend them as I guarantee you are friends with several Jewish Americans.

Grits · #12 04-03-2007, 04:19 PM

Hawk, I want to thank you for posting this, you cannot imagine my gratitude. You, obviously, are well read and like many others that are fully aware of the UAE, may feel that they are quite possibly wolves in sheeps clothing.

The Middle East, of course, is the most volatile region in our world. And it was citizens of the Middle Eastern nations that infiltrated our country, and flew two airliners into the World Trade Center Towers, one into the Pentagon, and another into the ground in a field in Pennsylvannia murdering more than 3000 American citizens.

Foolish of me, I called the Prince, an Arab, a wealthy oil rich dude, etc, etc, instead of recognizing him with the proper term, "the shiekh" or "his royal highness" even though Dubai is so very much unlike their neighboring nations of Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afganistan, Iraq, so on and so on.

When 911 happened, I lived in Lexington, Kentucky, one mile from the Bluegrass Airport. And whenever in Lexington for the sales, Sheikh Mohammed's 747 is always at the end of one of the runways adjacent to Versailles Road, at Keeneland's entrance.

On that morning, the sale at Keeneland was cancelled. Sheikh Mohammed's 747 remained on the runway, but by nightfall it had been taxied up to the tarmac, just beyond the air traffic controller's tower. It remained there, uplite--from the ground--with lights so stong that it could be seen for miles.

He remained there aboard the aircraft for what was maybe 36 to 48 hours. When the plane left Lexington . . . left the country . . . on board were well connected citizens of the Middle East, dignitaries, and diplomats that feared remaining in the U.S. at the time. The Sheikh was their safe haven.

To see this aircraft sitting those 2 nights, uplite and huge against the night sky was one of the most foreboding, the most distressing sights I have ever witnessed. My blood has never felt like ice, though it did then.

I wasn't in NY or Washington on 911, and I did not lose family members or friends, nor do I have either fighting on the ground now in Iraq or Afganistan.

This world is different now, and Linny had an excellent contribution to the thread yesterday. We could all be sitting in our shorts, with hoods on, and no one would know, otherwise.

You all do not know me, nor do I, any of you. I am a loyalist to a fault, and I will back you until proven not worthy, which I hope does not occur with anyone that means something to me.

I have lived long enough to know that blood is thicker than water. And a lot of blood has run on the streets in Middle Eastern nations, imminently close to this tiny little country on the Arab Pennisula called Dubai.

To my mind, I was not the one that -- didn't get it. It's all though, just a matter of opinion. And this is just a message board, where none on this really matters.

And once again, I'm sorry that I have been nothing but trouble since registering here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawk

HOW TO SELL ANTI-SEMITES: THE LEGITIMIZATION OF DUBAI
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

The past few years have seen a concerted international PR campaign to promote Dubai as a tolerant new Mecca of Middle East moderation and amazing economic growth.

And it's working. Corporate giant Halliburton is moving its headquarters there; the famed Louvre is opening a branch in the emirate. Tourists are flocking to Dubai's luxury hotels.

But don't be fooled. Dubai, which is one of the seven princedoms of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), is anything but tolerant and progressive.

To put it bluntly: They don't like Jews.

In fact, Dubai, like the rest of the UAE, is blatantly anti-Semitic. It bars all Israeli citizens from ever setting foot in the country. People from other nations whose passport have stamps indicating they've even visited Israel must notify Dubai immigration authorities of the stamp before entering.

Dubai is also actively involved in the Arab boycott of Israel: It bans all products made in Israel and even ones with parts made in Israel.

But the emir of Dubai, Sheik Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, understands the value of using prominent Americans to legitimize his country and burnish its image in the American media.

That's why former Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton have been the objects of Dubai largesse. Their Dubai friends have given millions to each of their presidential libraries. And Bill Clinton has raked in more than $1 million for speeches he's given in Dubai and the UAE.

Dubai's PR machine went into high gear after 9/11 - in part to distract attention from the extensive use the terrorists made of the emirate. More than half of the hijackers traveled to the United States via Dubai. The 9/11 Commission noted that $234,500 of the $300,000 wired to the hijackers and plot leaders in America came via Dubai banks.

Several months after 9/11, Dubai's newest best friend began his public association with the country. In January 2002, Bill Clinton gave his first Dubai speech (for $300,000). He' been legitimizing the country ever since.

Clinton was the rainmaker who introduced the emir to his friend and employer, Ron Berkle, the owner of Yucaipa companies and a major fund-raiser for Bill and Hillary.

Last year, Yucaipa and the emir formed a new company, DIGL, for their joint ventures. So Bill Clinton is now an adviser and member of the board of directors of a company that is in partnership with the anti-Israeli government of Dubai.

The Clintons won't reveal how much the former president pocketed for setting up this deal, except to report on Hillary's Senate disclosure form: "more than $1,000."

A lot more. According to San Francisco Examiner columnist P.J. Corkery, Clinton makes $10 million a year from Yucaipa.

Bill isn't alone in legitimizing Dubai. Other Clinton pals - including disgraced former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, ex-Secretary of State Madeline Albright and Al and Tipper Gore - have attended highly publicized events there.

So have some Republicans - including former Bush Sr. Chief of Staff John Sununu, presidential brother Neal Bush and Rudy Guiliani.

Republican ex-Sen. Bob Dole and Democratic ex-Rep. Tom Downey lobby for Dubai; so does The Glover Park Group, home of Hillary Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson and former President Clinton press secretary Joe Lockhart.

Major U.S. business leaders populate the many conferences sponsored by Dubai and its industries.

All of this helps legitimize Dubai. And no one mentions the problem with Israel.

Bill Clinton even created a Dubai Scholars Program at the American University in Dubai under the sponsorship of the William Jefferson Clinton Foundation. Laura Tyson, Clinton's chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, created a similar Dubai study program at the University of London.

But not everyone is blind.

Last month, the University of Connecticut correctly abandoned plans to open up a campus in Dubai after serious complaints about Dubai's state-imposed discrimination of people based on their national origin and religion and its documented violations of human rights. (For example, Human Rights Watch has said Dubai abuses tens of thousands of migrant workers from India and Pakistan.)

The Clinton Foundation certainly wouldn't sponsor a program in America that banned Israeli students. It shouldn't sponsor one in Dubai, either.

It's time to stop legitimizing an anti-Semitic state.

Cajungator26 · #13 04-03-2007, 04:27 PM

The point is though, Grits...

NOT EVERY SINGLE ARAB PERSON IS A TERRORIST. To label every person from the Middle East in that manner is unfair.

Personally, I don't like the Sheikh. I think he's a prick. The point is though... I would think that whether he was Arab, black, white, green or hell, even purple. Judge someone by their character... that's all I'm saying.

The Indomitable DrugS · #14 04-03-2007, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grits

To see this aircraft sitting those 2 nights, uplite and huge against the night sky was one of the most foreboding, the most distressing sights I have ever witnessed. My blood has never felt like ice, though it did then.

I wasn't in NY or Washington on 911, and I did not lose family members or friends, nor do I have either fighting on the ground now in Iraq or Afganistan.

This world is different now.

Now that.....is pretty damn gay.

my miss storm cat · #15 04-03-2007, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grits

On that morning, the sale at Keeneland was cancelled. Sheikh Mohammed's 747 remained on the runway, but by nightfall it had been taxied up to the tarmac, just beyond the air traffic controller's tower. It remained there, uplite--from the ground--with lights so stong that it could be seen for miles.

He remained there aboard the aircraft for what was maybe 36 to 48 hours. When the plane left Lexington . . . left the country . . . on board were well connected citizens of the Middle East, dignitaries, and diplomats that feared remaining in the U.S. at the time. The Sheikh was their safe haven.

To see this aircraft sitting those 2 nights, uplite and huge against the night sky was one of the most foreboding, the most distressing sights I have ever witnessed. My blood has never felt like ice, though it did then.

I wasn't in NY or Washington on 911, and I did not lose family members or friends, nor do I have either fighting on the ground now in Iraq or Afganistan.

This world is different now, and Linny had an excellent contribution to the thread yesterday. We could all be sitting in our shorts, with hoods on, and no one would know, otherwise.

You all do not know me, nor do I, any of you. I am a loyalist to a fault, and I will back you until proven not worthy, which I hope does not occur with anyone that means something to me.

I have lived long enough to know that blood is thicker than water. And a lot of blood has run on the streets in Middle Eastern nations, imminently close to this tiny little country on the Arab Pennisula called Dubai.

To my mind, I was not the one that -- didn't get it. It's all though, just a matter of opinion. And this is just a message board, where none on this really matters.

And once again, I'm sorry that I have been nothing but trouble since registering here.

Are you aware that after September 11th, the Sheikh donated 5 million of his personal funds to victims charities?

Are you aware that there was a 1 million goal at the 2001 BC (... to raise money for the families of the victims) and Godolphin ended up donating all their winnings which was around 2.5 million?

You talk about his 747 being on the tarmac..... have you forgotten about all aircraft being grounded until (I believe...) September 13th?

ArlJim78 · #16 04-03-2007, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawk

HOW TO SELL ANTI-SEMITES: THE LEGITIMIZATION OF DUBAI
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

The past few years have seen a concerted international PR campaign to promote Dubai as a tolerant new Mecca of Middle East moderation and amazing economic growth.

And it's working. Corporate giant Halliburton is moving its headquarters there; the famed Louvre is opening a branch in the emirate. Tourists are flocking to Dubai's luxury hotels.

But don't be fooled. Dubai, which is one of the seven princedoms of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), is anything but tolerant and progressive.

To put it bluntly: They don't like Jews.

In fact, Dubai, like the rest of the UAE, is blatantly anti-Semitic. It bars all Israeli citizens from ever setting foot in the country. People from other nations whose passport have stamps indicating they've even visited Israel must notify Dubai immigration authorities of the stamp before entering.

Dubai is also actively involved in the Arab boycott of Israel: It bans all products made in Israel and even ones with parts made in Israel.

But the emir of Dubai, Sheik Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, understands the value of using prominent Americans to legitimize his country and burnish its image in the American media.

That's why former Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton have been the objects of Dubai largesse. Their Dubai friends have given millions to each of their presidential libraries. And Bill Clinton has raked in more than $1 million for speeches he's given in Dubai and the UAE.

Dubai's PR machine went into high gear after 9/11 - in part to distract attention from the extensive use the terrorists made of the emirate. More than half of the hijackers traveled to the United States via Dubai. The 9/11 Commission noted that $234,500 of the $300,000 wired to the hijackers and plot leaders in America came via Dubai banks.

Several months after 9/11, Dubai's newest best friend began his public association with the country. In January 2002, Bill Clinton gave his first Dubai speech (for $300,000). He' been legitimizing the country ever since.

Clinton was the rainmaker who introduced the emir to his friend and employer, Ron Berkle, the owner of Yucaipa companies and a major fund-raiser for Bill and Hillary.

Last year, Yucaipa and the emir formed a new company, DIGL, for their joint ventures. So Bill Clinton is now an adviser and member of the board of directors of a company that is in partnership with the anti-Israeli government of Dubai.

The Clintons won't reveal how much the former president pocketed for setting up this deal, except to report on Hillary's Senate disclosure form: "more than $1,000."

A lot more. According to San Francisco Examiner columnist P.J. Corkery, Clinton makes $10 million a year from Yucaipa.

Bill isn't alone in legitimizing Dubai. Other Clinton pals - including disgraced former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, ex-Secretary of State Madeline Albright and Al and Tipper Gore - have attended highly publicized events there.

So have some Republicans - including former Bush Sr. Chief of Staff John Sununu, presidential brother Neal Bush and Rudy Guiliani.

Republican ex-Sen. Bob Dole and Democratic ex-Rep. Tom Downey lobby for Dubai; so does The Glover Park Group, home of Hillary Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson and former President Clinton press secretary Joe Lockhart.

Major U.S. business leaders populate the many conferences sponsored by Dubai and its industries.

All of this helps legitimize Dubai. And no one mentions the problem with Israel.

Bill Clinton even created a Dubai Scholars Program at the American University in Dubai under the sponsorship of the William Jefferson Clinton Foundation. Laura Tyson, Clinton's chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, created a similar Dubai study program at the University of London.

But not everyone is blind.

Last month, the University of Connecticut correctly abandoned plans to open up a campus in Dubai after serious complaints about Dubai's state-imposed discrimination of people based on their national origin and religion and its documented violations of human rights. (For example, Human Rights Watch has said Dubai abuses tens of thousands of migrant workers from India and Pakistan.)

The Clinton Foundation certainly wouldn't sponsor a program in America that banned Israeli students. It shouldn't sponsor one in Dubai, either.

It's time to stop legitimizing an anti-Semitic state.

I think your tin foil hat may be on a little too tight.