Barry Bonds

[The Bid]

As a big baseball fan I dont even care what this guy does. I dont like hearing him speak, I dont like watching him play, and its ashame hes going to be credited with breaking Hank's record. Hes one of the true skunks of baseball, hes always been a clubhouse cancer, a cheater, and basically an arrogant prick.

I dont know why anyone questions if this guy did steroids. Look at his rookie card through his 5th year. He weighed about 170, today he goes about 230.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by The Bid

As a big baseball fan I dont even care what this guy does. I dont like hearing him speak, I dont like watching him play, and its ashame hes going to be credited with breaking Hank's record. Hes one of the true skunks of baseball, hes always been a clubhouse cancer, a cheater, and basically an arrogant prick.

I dont know why anyone questions if this guy did steroids. Look at his rookie card through his 5th year. He weighed about 170, today he goes about 230.

Unfortunately, he'll go away after he breaks the record

And someone should shut up Joe Buck and the rest on Fox on what thier saying right now!

[The Bid]

You cant shut Buck up, only hope to contain his ignorance

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Unfortunately, he'll go away after he breaks the record

And someone should shut up Joe Buck and the rest on Fox on what thier saying right now!

i think they make good points...drugs and sports will probably be one big game of cat and mouse forever...to single out one player is insane, bottom line...he will have the record, whether folks like it or not!

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

he will have the record, whether folks like it or not!

People just have to root harder for A-Rod to stay healthy and keep hitting homeruns routinely. So now I have to hope A-Rod hit homeruns and Yankees lose at the same time

[The Bid]

Nobody would care if Barry Bonds was a stiff, however hes going to set the record for homeruns. Thats a pretty serious record, whats more important in baseball? Everyone knows 2 records in baseball, Games Played, and Homeruns. A casual fan knows who holds both records. Barry Bonds doesnt deserve to be on the records for anything unless it says he achieved it while using steroids.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

i think they make good points...drugs and sports will probably be one big game of cat and mouse forever...to single out one player is insane, bottom line...he will have the record, whether folks like it or not!

Still MLB never did enough all those years and "the chickens have come home to roost"
Sick of everybody defending Bonds or anyone else who cheated to get ahead.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Still MLB never did enough all those years and "the chickens have come home to roost"
Sick of everybody defending Bonds or anyone else who cheated to get ahead.

Problem is...and how many times have i made this point?...there is no hard evidence that he is guilty of cheating! Sure, the change in body size, the increased power at a later age, the relationships with Balco folks etc etc but NO HARD EVIDENCE...until he has his day in court and is faced with accusors presenting solid evidence, this is a witch hunt! I get tired of folks who KNOW Bonds is guilty...unless you've personally seen him do drugs, you don't know any more than I do...which is absolutely nothing! It's sad that drugs have brought sport achievement into question...but far sadder that it has cost lives.

[The Bid]

There was no hard evidence Scott Peterson killed his wife. Grown men dont put on 45lbs of muscle at age 30 and suddenly start hitting homeruns.

Same with Sosa, its a joke. The guy looked like a highschool basketball player when he was in his mid twenties. By the end of the 90s he weighed 240, thats from 160. You do the math

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Problem is...and how many times have i made this point?...there is no hard evidence that he is guilty of cheating! Sure, the change in body size, the increased power at a later age, the relationships with Balco folks etc etc but NO HARD EVIDENCE...until he has his day in court and is faced with accusors presenting solid evidence, this is a witch hunt! I get tired of folks who KNOW Bonds is guilty...unless you've personally seen him do drugs, you don't know any more than I do...which is absolutely nothing! It's sad that drugs have brought sport achievement into question...but far sadder that it has cost lives.

Like to know what Joe Buck's opinion or anyone else at Fox would have on Vince McMahon or the WWE
I'm sure he wouldn't defend them!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Problem is...and how many times have i made this point?...there is no hard evidence that he is guilty of cheating! Sure, the change in body size, the increased power at a later age, the relationships with Balco folks etc etc but NO HARD EVIDENCE...until he has his day in court and is faced with accusors presenting solid evidence, this is a witch hunt! I get tired of folks who KNOW Bonds is guilty...unless you've personally seen him do drugs, you don't know any more than I do...which is absolutely nothing! It's sad that drugs have brought sport achievement into question...but far sadder that it has cost lives.

Actually his home run record is not a legal problem. The rule in Bonds case could be prove that you did not use steroids. This is not a court of Law thing. (I realize this is a silly arguement but you get my point) Ex. MLB made the assessment that Pete Rose bet on baseball, not a court of law. This of course is moot as he has admitted he bet.

Bonds may have lied to a Grand Jury. That has not gone away yet. And that is in the court system.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Problem is...and how many times have i made this point?...there is no hard evidence that he is guilty of cheating! Sure, the change in body size, the increased power at a later age, the relationships with Balco folks etc etc but NO HARD EVIDENCE...until he has his day in court and is faced with accusors presenting solid evidence, this is a witch hunt! I get tired of folks who KNOW Bonds is guilty...unless you've personally seen him do drugs, you don't know any more than I do...which is absolutely nothing! It's sad that drugs have brought sport achievement into question...but far sadder that it has cost lives.

If it was up to you,the only people in jail would be people caught in the act.You're assuming they want it to come out(the facts concerning this.)They probably don't.So,if they won't release the evidence,then people are left to go by common sense. It is political.They don't want the facts out before he gets the record.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Still MLB never did enough all those years and "the chickens have come home to roost"
Sick of everybody defending Bonds or anyone else who cheated to get ahead.

Same way that people overlook what the Nazis and Japanese did during WW2.Not one of those guards that hacked somebody's head off during that Batan Death March should have been allowed to live freely in Japan(after that war.) You will always have people making excuses for those who do things they know are wrong.It's one thing to put that Pumpkinhead in the Hall of Fame,but I'll never understand how he could be accepted as the Home Run leader.They are gunna wait until he gets the record to make all the evidence official,but you can't deny his head has gotten huge. Some people are gunna wait until he actually gets a steroid related cancer,before they admit he did them.He can't deny he did them.He just will bully whoever asks him,and then change the subject to "you guys go write your this n' that." I think it's the worst part about this guy(he blames the media for all his own mistakes.)