North Korea

A problem to be sure.

What no one in authority will say that everone ought to know who does not.
This is a scary country. For one major reason:

North Korea is run by a crazy fck named Kim Jong Il. He created the sun, made like 6 holes-in-one in one round of golf (or someting like that). The guy is flippin nuts.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

It would almost be funny if he wasn't starving so many in his country.They would gladly eat dog,but I doubt they have many left to eat.

[Downthestretch55]

Crazy guy.
Gdubb seems real eager to "negotiate" with him, spent the AM talking with the other five interests.
So why not move militarily like was done with another "Axis of Evil"?
Simple answer...Kim Il has "nukular" weapons. Maybe not delivery systems ...
yet. He'll share what he has with other enemies of the USA...
Now, that's plenty scary, imo.

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yeah I saw a 1/2 hour special on this MoFo yesterday, he is not right by any stretch of the imagination. sounds to me like they are not playing around, and if I was China I would be concerned

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Crazy guy.
Gdubb seems real eager to "negotiate" with him, spent the AM talking with the other five interests.
So why not move militarily like was done with another "Axis of Evil"?
Simple answer...Kim Il has "nukular" weapons. Maybe not delivery systems ...
yet. He'll share what he has with other enemies of the USA...
Now, that's plenty scary, imo.

I really don't think that's the case, I think a lot of the reason we're dealing with it like this is because China is there. We don't want to piss off a sleeping giant. And to be honest...that's very wise.

Interesting quote I saw from an article today....

The Rev. Roger Ryu, pastor of Hahn-In Christian Reformed Church in Wyoming, believes North Korea has been reduced to desperate measures by its isolation and shaky economy.

"They are very desperate. They are extremely isolated," said Ryu, 57, who has lived in the United States since 1973.

"They are really looking for a free economic gift. It's like they are saying, 'I have an atomic bomb. Give me some bread.'"

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by dr.***er

I really don't think that's the case, I think a lot of the reason we're dealing with it like this is because China is there. We don't want to piss off a sleeping giant. And to be honest...that's very wise.

Interesting quote I saw from an article today....

The Rev. Roger Ryu, pastor of Hahn-In Christian Reformed Church in Wyoming, believes North Korea has been reduced to desperate measures by its isolation and shaky economy.

"They are very desperate. They are extremely isolated," said Ryu, 57, who has lived in the United States since 1973.

"They are really looking for a free economic gift. It's like they are saying, 'I have an atomic bomb. Give me some bread.'"

Maybe. We'll just have to wait and see.
I agree, China will play big on this one.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Maybe. We'll just have to wait and see.
I agree, China will play big on this one.

Actually, North Korea is largely China's problem...the Chinese surely don't need some idiot with nukes next door and they are well aware of the danger he creates. His country is starving and one would think that very soon, internal opposition will arise, perhaps even from his own military.

[Independent George]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Crazy guy.
Gdubb seems real eager to "negotiate" with him, spent the AM talking with the other five interests.
So why not move militarily like was done with another "Axis of Evil"?
Simple answer...Kim Il has "nukular" weapons. Maybe not delivery systems ...
yet. He'll share what he has with other enemies of the USA...
Now, that's plenty scary, imo.

Yeh ,I'm sure GW is skeert of North Korea, In fact ,it's probably his fault NK HAS theses "nukular" weapons, right? Of course it was Willie the Worm who gave NK the needed materials and resarch to produce the nukes in his ever-increasing effort to have everyone on the planet like us.
China is using NK as its pawn to draw closer to the US.China hates us but needs us a trade partner and consumer of its goods.
Kim Jung Il is a nutcase but he's pragmatic enough to like his Mercedes and Swedish super-models not to want to be obliterated, unlike nutcases of the Isalmic radical ilk ,who welcome death and destruction as the quick path to eternal life with Allah and the virgins.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Independent George

Yeh ,I'm sure GW is skeert of North Korea, In fact ,it's probably his fault NK HAS theses "nukular" weapons, right? Of course it was Willie the Worm who gave NK the needed materials and resarch to produce the nukes in his ever-increasing effort to have everyone on the planet like us.
China is using NK as its pawn to draw closer to the US.China hates us but needs us a trade partner and consumer of its goods.
Kim Jung Il is a nutcase but he's pragmatic enough to like his Mercedes and Swedish super-models not to want to be obliterated, unlike nutcases of the Isalmic radical ilk ,who welcome death and destruction as the quick path to eternal life with Allah and the virgins.

Huh?
I'd like to see your source that "Willie the Worm" gave NK the needed materials and research to produce nukes.
Please back that absurdity with facts and a source.

[Independent George]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Huh?
I'd like to see your source that "Willie the Worm" gave NK the needed materials and research to produce nukes.
Please back that absurdity with facts and a source.

You want my source !! I could tell you but then I'd have to have you terminated.
Facts....you mean like the ones you throw around ? No thanks.I ran out of bulls**t the first time the police questioned me after defending my best bud when some people were going to use him for tee-ball practice.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Huh?
I'd like to see your source that "Willie the Worm" gave NK the needed materials and research to produce nukes.
Please back that absurdity with facts and a source.

Try this ...

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...7/164846.shtml

But Indy George had one thing wrong ... the Sink Emperor didn't give away our technology because he wanted to be liked ...

... he did it for a much more practical reason ... cold, hard cash for his and his consort's campaigns and enrichment. Same as he did with advanced missle technology to China.

Edit: Here's another one ... http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Rea...le.asp?ID=5368

Second Edit: Here's what it says in the left-wing Wikipedia (emphasis added) ...

"In 1994, Clinton negotiated and signed the Nuclear Accords with North Korea. The underlying concern was that North Korea was developing nuclear weapons technology under the guise of a nuclear power plant. In exchange for assistance with energy needs, North Korea agreed to abandon all ambitions for acquiring nuclear weapons. However, by the mid 1990s defectors from North Korea, along with reports from the IAEA, indicated that North Korea was violating both the Nuclear Accords and the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty."

"In exchange for assistance with energy needs" means Clinton gave away nuclear technology secrets in exchange for a promise ... which was broken before the ink was dry.

Third Edit: Here's the best one yet ... from the colossal fool Jimmuh Carter's own website ... in which he brags about his role in getting North Korea's "assurances" that the nuclear technology they've just been given (1994) will not be used to develop nuclear weapons ... http://www.cartercenter.org/doc221.htm

Need any more sources? You surely believe Jimmuh "Ah will nevuh lah to yoo" Carter, don't you?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Independent George

Yeh ,I'm sure GW is skeert of North Korea, In fact ,it's probably his fault NK HAS theses "nukular" weapons, right? Of course it was Willie the Worm who gave NK the needed materials and resarch to produce the nukes in his ever-increasing effort to have everyone on the planet like us.
China is using NK as its pawn to draw closer to the US.China hates us but needs us a trade partner and consumer of its goods.
Kim Jung Il is a nutcase but he's pragmatic enough to like his Mercedes and Swedish super-models not to want to be obliterated, unlike nutcases of the Isalmic radical ilk ,who welcome death and destruction as the quick path to eternal life with Allah and the virgins.

Again, the thread gets reduced to political name-calling; there is plenty of blame on both sides of the American political spectrum for the mess we face today throughout the world...better to concentrate on how to survive it! North Korea is untouchable to the US unless we plan on wiping out China also...something we could do but hopefully isn't a viable consideration. Iran, I honestly believe is "pissing into the wind" when it tries to scare the likes of Israel...we will probably wake up some morning to the news that the folks from Israel had enough and half of Iran is gone, the other half radioactive. I agree that the Iranian situation may become the most problematic over time, but right now...we should allow China to negotiate with North Korea, if that fails...I agree with Pgardn, some sabre rattling (or in this case, anti-missile system development talk) should spur even the nut job in NK to start considering how he'd attract models as a pile of glowing dust.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Again, the thread gets reduced to political name-calling; there is plenty of blame on both sides of the American political spectrum for the mess we face today throughout the world...better to concentrate on how to survive it! North Korea is untouchable to the US unless we plan on wiping out China also...something we could do but hopefully isn't a viable consideration. Iran, I honestly believe is "pissing into the wind" when it tries to scare the likes of Israel...we will probably wake up some morning to the news that the folks from Israel had enough and half of Iran is gone, the other half radioactive. I agree that the Iranian situation may become the most problematic over time, but right now...we should allow China to negotiate with North Korea, if that fails...I agree with Pgardn, some sabre rattling (or in this case, anti-missile system development talk) should spur even the nut job in NK to start considering how he'd attract models as a pile of glowing dust.

Somer,
I agree with much of your statements.
As far as anti-missile systems, yes, we have some but not as well refined as may need to be. I also agree with Pgardn that if any country can develop the requisite technology, the USA can, with time for further development.
So, I'll go back to my assertion that China will play a huge role in helping to resolve the NK issue, and if they do, they will gain great credibility in the world's community opinion, as the US's has diminished.
It's completely in their interests if they do so.
DTS

[Honu]

Originally Posted by pgardn

A problem to be sure.

What no one in authority will say that everone ought to know who does not.
This is a scary country. For one major reason:

North Korea is run by a crazy fck named Kim Jong Il. He created the sun, made like 6 holes-in-one in one round of golf (or someting like that). The guy is flippin nuts.

I bet if we fired one at them that would be all it would take for them to back the f*ck up.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Honu

I bet if we fired one at them that would be all it would take for them to back the f*ck up.

Honu,
I hope you're kidding. Other things should be done before it comes to this.
South Korea would be in the path of the fall out, and certainly have a lot to say before hand.

btw, I like your racing insights and the news you share.

Here's something that I'd like to share with you, a Korean recipe.

Kim Kui (toasted seaweed)

10 sheets seaweed (one package)
3 tablespoons sesame-seed oil
1 teaspoon salt

Brush seaweed with sesame-seed oil, sprinkle with salt, and toast over an open flame, in hot frying pan, or in a broiler until the seaweed turns green.
Cut into quarters. Makes 6 to 8 servings.

Enjoy.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Honu,
I hope you're kidding. Other things should be done before it comes to this.
South Korea would be in the path of the fall out, and certainly have a lot to say before hand.

btw, I like your racing insights and the news you share.

Here's something that I'd like to share with you, a Korean recipe.

Kim Kui (toasted seaweed)

10 sheets seaweed (one package)
3 tablespoons sesame-seed oil
1 teaspoon salt

Brush seaweed with sesame-seed oil, sprinkle with salt, and toast over an open flame, in hot frying pan, or in a broiler until the seaweed turns green.
Cut into quarters. Makes 6 to 8 servings.

Enjoy.

Well I was only half serious about firing one at them , but I do think we should sanction the life out of them. Cut them off, no more aid , no more money , nothing period.
Thanks for the seaweed recipe cant say that Ive ever ate much of it except in a sushi roll.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Honu

Well I was only half serious about firing one at them , but I do think we should sanction the life out of them. Cut them off, no more aid , no more money , nothing period.
Thanks for the seaweed recipe cant say that Ive ever ate much of it except in a sushi roll.

Honu,
The USA has given the NK's over a billion in foreign aid since 1995. The bulk of it has been given during the present administration.
Unfortunately, the WFP (World Food Program) doesn't really know where the rice is sold. It shows up in black markets and on the streets (for cash).
The people for which it intended are, in fact, eating seaweed. That's why I posted the recipe.
It's a very crazy place.
Sanctions will hurt the common people. Kim il Jong won't feel the least bit impact. For sure, he eats very well. Photos of him bear this out.
The common people are powerless to do much. Public executions cause terror in the populace. Though there is a growing resistance movement, it seems to me that going against this insanity where you need a travel permit to move from village to village, city to city, with armed guards (shoot to kill orders) patrolling the northern border crossing the river to China.
It's a huge mess. In my humble view, santions from the US won't do it. China
and South Korea have a much bigger voice, as they have both been the biggest providers of foreign aid. I'll wait to hear them speak.

btw...seaweed is pretty good. I like it with fresh fish. That's a luxury I have, that they don't. They eat it as a main course.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Honu,
The USA has given the NK's over a billion in foreign aid since 1995. The bulk of it has been given during the present administration.
Unfortunately, the WFP (World Food Program) doesn't really know where the rice is sold. It shows up in black markets and on the streets (for cash).
The people for which it intended are, in fact, eating seaweed. That's why I posted the recipe.
It's a very crazy place.
Sanctions will hurt the common people. Kim il Jong won't feel the least bit impact. For sure, he eats very well. Photos of him bear this out.
The common people are powerless to do much. Public executions cause terror in the populace. Though there is a growing resistance movement, it seems to me that going against this insanity where you need a travel permit to move from village to village, city to city, with armed guards (shoot to kill orders) patrolling the northern border crossing the river to China.
It's a huge mess. In my humble view, santions from the US won't do it. China
and South Korea have a much bigger voice, as they have both been the biggest providers of foreign aid. I'll wait to hear them speak.

btw...seaweed is pretty good. I like it with fresh fish. That's a luxury I have, that they don't. They eat it as a main course.

You're 100% correct ... the only hope for the North Koreans is if one or more of the generals get pizzed-off at that little psycho ... and drills him one.

Maybe someone will emerge from their military ... or elsewhere ... who has a drop of humanity ...

... otherwise the savages will continue to rule ... and the poor Koreans of the north will live in utter misery ... while their blood-brothers in the south live in freedom and prosperity.