124 Beyer for Midnight Lute

[SniperSB23]

124 for Midnight Lute yesterday, Lawyer Ron got a 118. Benny the Bull at 119 seems a bit of a stretch to me but the time was scorching.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

They ran four consecutive turf races in between those two dirt races.

I'm curious if anyone knows if the track was sealed while those turf races went and reopened?

I know the NYRA track super is big on sealing during turf races in the middle of the card - which, IMO, changes the speed of the track from the earlier races.

If anyone remember Lawyer's Ron track record setting performance - the track was sealed and reopened prior to the race Diabolical won.

It's hard to imagine Gottcha Gold defeated Lawyer Ron just a short while ago - albeit while loose on the lead at Monmouth - both of LR's wins at Saratoga have been incredible.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

They ran four consecutive turf races in between those two dirt races.

I'm curious if anyone knows if the track was sealed while those turf races went and reopened?

I know the NYRA track super is big on sealing during turf races in the middle of the card - which, IMO, changes the speed of the track from the earlier races.

If anyone remember Lawyer's Ron track record setting performance - the track was sealed and reopened prior to the race Diabolical won.

It's hard to imagine Gottcha Gold defeated Lawyer Ron just a short while ago - albeit while loose on the lead at Monmouth - both of LR's wins at Saratoga have been incredible.

I'm not 100% sure but I don't think the track was sealed between them. Everytime this meet that they have sealed the track during turf races has been when there were thunderstorms in the forecast. Yesterday the weather was perfect with no chance of thunderstorms so I doubt the track was sealed.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

They ran several turf races before the Forego and Woodward.

While those races are going - the track super will sometimes seal the main track and re-harrow it. Not sure if this happened yesterday - as I obviously wasn't there.

I'm curious if anyone who was there noticed any special attention being given to the main track in between those four consecutive turf races prior to the Forego.

[hockey2315]

I didn't notice anything. . .

[TheSpyder]

Bottom line, that's one very fast horse! If people would stop taking talant to the breeding shed how many would show like improvement. I'm talking about Lawyer Ron.

Spyder

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's hard to imagine Gottcha Gold defeated Lawyer Ron just a short while ago - albeit while loose on the lead at Monmouth - both of LR's wins at Saratoga have been incredible.

Following up his 116 in the Whitney with a 118 in the Woodward is certainly impressive. He is clearly the top 9f horse in the country right now.
I still believe that there is a good chance that he will regress considerably from his top figs if they ever stretch him out to 10f again. The last two times they stretched him out to 10f he regressed badly.
Going into the Derby last year he had run three consecutive races in the 94-98 beyer range. He ran a 79 in the Derby.
Going into the Classic last year he was coming off of a 103 and a 105. He ran a 92 in the Classic.
He is clearly a better horse now than he has been at any other point in his career, so while I still feel he will likely regress when stretched to 10f, it might not be enough for any of the horses in this rather lackluster "Classic division" (I hate that term) to beat him. If they ever do run him at 10f though, I will almost certainly take a stand against him.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Following up his 116 in the Whitney with a 118 in the Woodward is certainly impressive. He is clearly the top 9f horse in the country right now.
I still believe that there is a good chance that he will regress considerably from his top figs if they ever stretch him out to 10f again. The last two times they stretched him out to 10f he regressed badly.
Going into the Derby last year he had run three consecutive races in the 94-98 beyer range. He ran a 79 in the Derby.
Going into the Classic last year he was coming off of a 103 and a 105. He ran a 92 in the Classic.
He is clearly a better horse now than he has been at any other point in his career, so while I still feel he will likely regress when stretched to 10f, it might not be enough for any of the horses in this rather lackluster "Classic division" (I hate that term) to beat him. If they ever do run him at 10f though, I will almost certainly take a stand against him.

The Classic Division is at least a teeny bit more exciting than it looked around the Suburban following Invasor's retirement. (Street Sense, Saturday & Lawyer all showing up pretty well this summer)

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

The Classic Division is at least a teeny bit more exciting than it looked around the Suburban following Invasor's retirement. (Street Sense, Saturday & Lawyer all showing up pretty well this summer)

I agree that it is "a teeny bit more exciting" but it isn't exactly great. Lawyer Ron's two outings at Saratoga were certainly impressive, and would probably stamp him as one of the top 9f horses not just this year, but in the last couple of years. And - as you mention - the addition of the top two 3yos certainly adds someting to the luster, as it usually does. On the whole though I still think the division lacks a lot of depth.....especially in terms of 10f horses.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I agree that it is "a teeny bit more exciting" but it isn't exactly great. Lawyer Ron's two outings at Saratoga were certainly impressive, and would probably stamp him as one of the top 9f horses not just this year, but in the last couple of years. And - as you mention - the addition of the top two 3yos certainly adds someting to the luster, as it usually does. On the whole though I still think the division lacks a lot of depth.....especially in terms of 10f horses.

[Snarl] Racing secretaries don't want 10f horses anymore; don't write races for them (how many G1, G2, or G3 races at 10f on dirt on the East Coast circuit this year?). So come time for the biggies, we have to guess which 9f horse can carry on one more furlong.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's hard to imagine Gottcha Gold defeated Lawyer Ron just a short while ago - albeit while loose on the lead at Monmouth - both of LR's wins at Saratoga have been incredible.

Lawyer Ron finished brilliantly in that race. Knowing the barn, and seeing Ron get that Late juice at monmouth, he was a must use in the win slot for the whitney(Ron,MagnaGraduate,DiamondStripes).

I mean yeah, wins and losses matter big time, but you rarely see a thoroughbred make a brilliant run (pretty much just Lawyer Ron,honey rider,english channel,AGS,ready's echo,twilight meteor...) . The Woodward was the 3rd consecutive brilliant finish by Ron.

Whats hard to imagine to me is that this was a Grade 2 level horse maybe even g3! A little bit on the cheap side and as much of a fan favorite as he was he was a big jackpot Underlay waiting to happen. Now he is the best finisher in the handicap division!

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Lawyer Ron finished brilliantly in that race. Knowing the barn, and seeing Ron get that Late juice at monmouth, he was a must use in the win slot for the whitney(Ron,MagnaGraduate,DiamondStripes).

I mean yeah, wins and losses matter big time, but you rarely see a thoroughbred make a brilliant run (pretty much just Lawyer Ron,honey rider,english channel,AGS,ready's echo,twilight meteor...) . The Woodward was the 3rd consecutive brilliant finish by Ron.

Whats hard to imagine to me is that this was a Grade 2 level horse maybe even g3! A little bit on the cheap side and as much of a fan favorite as he was he was a big jackpot Underlay waiting to happen. Now he is the best finisher in the handicap division!

Lawyer Ron always had the talent to run this way, but as a youngster (at 3), he often wanted to go out there in front too soon and burn out his followers to win. Take a look at the Super Derby; Ron wanted to shoot out there at top speed on the backstretch, way before he needed to. He is now a more mature and settled colt, who is willing to hold off using that speedburst of his until later in the race, when the jock wants to use it.

Believe it or not, horses can improve as they mature; those who weren't hot stuff at 2 can be better at 3; some that were okay at 3 can get better at 4 or even 5, when they are fully mature. And it isn't only physical maturity; mental maturity can be a big factor in who can take it to the next level.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

124 for Midnight Lute yesterday, Lawyer Ron got a 118. Benny the Bull at 119 seems a bit of a stretch to me but the time was scorching.

figs now on DRF leaderboard have been nudged up to 125 for Midnight Lute, 119 for Lawyer Ron.

--Dunbar